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Yesterday: Bush admits poor response to Gulf/NO

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Postby Galvan on September 14th, 2005, 2:06 pm
On Tuesday,

President Bush admitted that the Federal Government's response to Katrina was his fault.

Meanwhile, in parts of NO, Mayor Nagin said that parks of the French Quarter will be able to reopen as soon as Monday.



Where is Kathleen Blanco saying that its her fault too? Where is Nagin saying its his fault too?

Because they are just to blame as Is Bush in this situation.

Washington Post Article on whose really to blame.
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Postby RBull4life on September 14th, 2005, 3:05 pm
Where is Kathleen Blanco saying that its her fault too? Where is Nagin saying its his fault too?


Shhhhhhhhhh. They are not at fault. They are Democrates.
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Postby Aero737 on September 14th, 2005, 3:08 pm
Yep, the Mayor is at fault because he couldn't turn into Superman and evacuate the ENTIRE city in 2 days.

I don't like Blanco, She did many things wrong.
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Postby CoasterDave316 on September 14th, 2005, 3:11 pm
Im not a Bush supporter...and I generally hate the guy. But I have to give him credit for owning up to his mistakes and admitting that himself and the federal government were to blame. Ive actually gained a little bit of respect for him, for that reason.

Hopefully now they can figure out everything that went wrong like they said and make sure it doesn't happen again in the event of a future disaster.
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Postby Galvan on September 14th, 2005, 3:13 pm
Actually it is the Mayor's fault for not having an adequate Hurricane evacuation plan PRIOR to the storm.

and when i mean by Prior to the storm i mean months ahead of time.

Jason you know as well as I know that preparing for the weather takes offseason preparations

Preparations that AT THE LOCAL LEVEL failed miserably.
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Postby RBull4life on September 14th, 2005, 3:38 pm
Not only that Galvan, but the Feds need to find out what happened to the money that was sent down there to the levee system.
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Postby batman1150 on September 14th, 2005, 6:10 pm
two words

MAYORS FAULT
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Postby w00dland on September 14th, 2005, 11:31 pm
Ugh this is annoying. Mike your just making topics about every political issue to piss off Jason and it's annoying as hell.

Bush did the right thing to take some of the blame, maybe others will step up to the plate and apologize as well.
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Postby Galvan on September 15th, 2005, 1:05 am
Is it my fault that Jason gets pissed off at every political issue? Nope, he's the one with the messed up views on things not me, And if you actually read the responses from my posts, Then youll see that a small minorty actually agrees with what Jason and a few others beleive in.
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Postby Aero737 on September 15th, 2005, 1:18 am
Mike, I believe that about 1/2 the country leans left and 1/2 leans right. I'm not alone.
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Postby kahmooza on September 15th, 2005, 8:12 am
Now when will he own up to other mistakes??
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Postby twixmix0303 on September 15th, 2005, 8:36 am
Galvan316 wrote:Is it my fault that Jason gets pissed off at every political issue? Nope, he's the one with the messed up views on things not me, And if you actually read the responses from my posts, Then youll see that a small minorty actually agrees with what Jason and a few others beleive in.


You're agreeing with w00dland's post above this quoted one without actually saying it. Is it fun trying to get in arguements with other members. Would you rather have no friends than friends? I'm just curious.
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Postby Jamesb58 on September 15th, 2005, 1:47 pm
My take on this is, Bush shouldn't have accepted responsibility for
what happened in NO. It wasn't his fault.

I want the Mayor of NO to admit that he didn't do all he could have
to have saved peoples lives.

Errors the Mayor Made:
#1: Not strengthening the levee to handle a Cat 5 Storm.
Editorial: The Mayor has all powers to fix that levee and make
sure it could handle Hurricanes up to Cat 5. He doesn't
need the President to lead him by the hand and do everything
for him. He didn't do it and he needs to appologize for not having
the levee strengthened


#2: Not utilizing other resources to get people out of NO.
Editorial: There were tons of busses that could have
been used to get those, who didn't have the means, to leave.
He could have used School Busses and Public Transportation
Busses to get people out. He had about 3-4 days to get people
out of the city. 80% got out. I think that 100% could have.

Lets also remember that many people stayed cause they didn't
want to leave, not because they couldn't get out. It's not
Bush's fault for that. There were plenty of video footage of
people on roofs of houses and down next to their house, was
a car or truck.

Even before Katrina was around, I would have had plans to
tell people, if you need help in evacuating, please make your
way to the nearest Evacuation Staging Area and board one of
the many busses that are ready to take you to a safer area.

The mayor needs to appologize and take responsibility for not
having a proper evacuation plan and for not using all resources
to get people out before the storm.


#3: He put people in harms way.
Editorial: He put people in harms way by sending them
to locations that were in danger of the flooding. The places were
virtually unaccessable via roads.

This point goes along with point #2. If he had proper Evacuation
Plans, he would have thought smart and send people to where
they won't be in the middle of the levee system. The top area
that needed to be evacuated is the portion that is directly in the
levee system. They should have been taken to the Airport, which
is outside of the levees and is accessable via road.

He shouldn't have had people go to the Convention Center and the
Superdome. He needs to appologize and accept responsibility for
sending people to danger areas.


#4: Calling Bush Racist.
Editorial: Although he didn't say specifically that Bush
was racist, he implied the notion. Anyone who uses race in this
type of situation, are people who will not take responsibility for their
own actions.

It is the Mayor's fault that help didn't get to the people quick, because
of the places that the Mayor put people. If people were able to be
sheltered at the Airport, aid would have been there immediatly. As
I have stated in other topics, the Salvation Army was ready to roll and
was in LA, but had no way to get to the people in need, because the
roads were inaccessible.

It wasn't the fact that Bush was being racist and decided not to send
help, it's the fact that help was there, but they had no way of getting
to the people, because of the Mayor's stupid decisions.

The Mayor needs to appologize to President Bush for basically calling
him racist.


Overall, was all this I said Bush's Fault? NO. Bush doesn't need
to take the blame for something that isn't his fault. Would I appologize
for doing something I didn't do? Heck No. Why should he??

Should the Mayor take responsibility for his lack of actions and his
outlandish remarks? YES!!

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Postby RagingBullLover1543 on September 15th, 2005, 4:29 pm
CoasterDude316 wrote:Im not a Bush supporter...and I generally hate the guy. But I have to give him credit for owning up to his mistakes and admitting that himself and the federal government were to blame. Ive actually gained a little bit of respect for him, for that reason.

Hopefully now they can figure out everything that went wrong like they said and make sure it doesn't happen again in the event of a future disaster.



He should have declared a state of emergency about two days before when they new it was going to be an almost direct hit on New Orleans.
A couple of hours before.
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Postby Galvan on September 15th, 2005, 4:41 pm
He did exactly that on the Saturday prior to the Storm
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Postby RagingBullLover1543 on September 15th, 2005, 4:44 pm
Oh sry I just remebered it being like 6 hrs before the hurricane hit.
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Postby Chitown on September 15th, 2005, 4:54 pm
Ray Nagin was on Larry King last night and he did take some responsibility.

All levels of government screwed up here.

While I don't think race played a role in the slow response, I do believe it's an economic thing. Poor people will always take a backseat to wealthy people.
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Postby Chitown on September 15th, 2005, 9:40 pm
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Man, he looks like he has a huge face. That is also the look of a president who has an approval rating of 39%. :lol:
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Postby kahmooza on September 15th, 2005, 10:14 pm
LMAO^ After that brilliant "speech" I'm sure its more like 29%
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Postby Shockwavegirl on September 16th, 2005, 9:49 am
Just another excuse to bash the president. At least Bush accepted responisibility. I see Nagin on CNN everyday bs-ing about how its her fault, no it's his fault, it's anybody's but my fault. Every chnace he got he blamed someone else. Bush never blamed anyone else, and publicly accepted responsibility for his actions first. Where the slow response was a bad choice on his part, I believe that owning up to your mistakes is a trait of a good president.

Show me a democrat that accepts responsibility for his mistakes like that.
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Postby kahmooza on September 16th, 2005, 9:50 am
Hey Howard Dean accepted responsiblity for his loud outburst!

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Postby ihauntu2 on September 16th, 2005, 9:55 am
Shockwavegirl wrote:
Show me a democrat that accepts responsibility for his mistakes like that.


Show me a Democrat that has made the "quality" type of mistakes this president has made at all.
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Postby JGSixFlags on September 16th, 2005, 4:24 pm
Bill Clinton, He didnt snag Bin Laden when he had the chance! That is a bigger mistake than what bush made!
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Postby ihauntu2 on September 16th, 2005, 4:30 pm
No reliable intel on exact location. Thats why a cruise strike was ordered up instead. See unlike Bush this draft dodger didn't want to send good military men to their death based on sketchy intel.
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Postby JGSixFlags on September 16th, 2005, 4:34 pm
Was it not a mistake that clinton didnt use the information he had to snag binladen? Its not about the war, you asked a question, you got an anwer that you didnt like so you bring the war in!
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