My Ideas to improve SFGAm!!

[Drkstarboard]

what does in my opinion stand for?

just wondering

[coasterswimgurl12]

In My Opinion

anyway, I like da rcman2001's ideas, but the only problem with the misters with ari fresheners, is that it will upset guests with asthma. especially on a hot, humid, summer day.

[coasterdude12]

Well, If not misters @ least an air freshener or something. on 8/11/02 I was behind this real smelly guy in the line for Deja Vu for like 80 minutes.
A touch up on the trees and the scenery would be nice also.
Or mabye a place where you can buy like toiletries like SPF lotion and headache medicine & Deodarant

But how can you put a waterpark In the park
It's already extremely cramped.

[monopotassium]

2. Have a park maintenence employee in every bathroom during every opperating hour of the day.

Because the urinals aren't working that often, right? "No need to get to a ride -- I've got to make sure none of these toilets clog!"

3. Install misters over all the walkways and in lines that spray out a mixture of air freshener and water to get ridd of B.O., sewage odors, and the smell that comes from the waste treatment plant a mile away.

And laugh at all the people slipping? Not to mention the idea of introducing a liquid air freshener onto people/outside.

5. Give Pictorium motion/ interactive seets and give it a Matrix 3: Revolutions 4D ride film with a themed queue next to go carts (flip the enterence and the exit). Add themeing in the side wall near the enterence (or the current exit0 to the theatre and expand the building out to make room for a cool sign and loading room.

"First, we stick this thing in the back of your neck. Now, you are Agent Smith fighting Keanu Reeves. Oh, you got assimilated in the end. But wait, now you're who you were before and can choose whether to leave.
Remember, some of you might just remain in the Matrix, so get used to that thing in your neck."

7. Repave the enterence plaza to all brick.

since walking on a smooth surface is too good for the park's guests....

5. Have 2 people operating the flat rides.

Why? The biggest bottleneck for most flats is a lack of riders.

2). Add more landscaping especially in areas like around ... SWT

More plants? To fit the vegetation-starved desert theme?

[Galvan]

Seems to me the orignal poster, while a new guy here which i welcome to the boards, Needs to be hired by Six Flags because apparently he know's alot more about The Amusement Park industry then the professionals do...

Sorry but i disagree with you 100%

[Great America Guy]

Well Tim Black is still persuing this ides as stated by him so there has to be room somewhere

[Papas]

My second idea is to bring back SHOCKWAVE. I know the coaster had problems, especially after the breaking section, but with work, I think it could be fixed and would really bring more people back to the park. Give it a new color, and put it over near Raging Bull.

Oh yeah ShockWave would bring SO many people back to SFGAm .

[da rcman2001]

2. Have a park maintenence employee in every bathroom during every opperating hour of the day.

Because the urinals aren't working that often, right? "No need to get to a ride -- I've got to make sure none of these toilets clog!"

3. Install misters over all the walkways and in lines that spray out a mixture of air freshener and water to get ridd of B.O., sewage odors, and the smell that comes from the waste treatment plant a mile away.

And laugh at all the people slipping? Not to mention the idea of introducing a liquid air freshener onto people/outside.

5. Give Pictorium motion/ interactive seets and give it a Matrix 3: Revolutions 4D ride film with a themed queue next to go carts (flip the enterence and the exit). Add themeing in the side wall near the enterence (or the current exit0 to the theatre and expand the building out to make room for a cool sign and loading room.

"First, we stick this thing in the back of your neck. Now, you are Agent Smith fighting Keanu Reeves. Oh, you got assimilated in the end. But wait, now you're who you were before and can choose whether to leave.
Remember, some of you might just remain in the Matrix, so get used to that thing in your neck."

7. Repave the enterence plaza to all brick.

since walking on a smooth surface is too good for the park's guests....

5. Have 2 people operating the flat rides.

Why? The biggest bottleneck for most flats is a lack of riders.

2). Add more landscaping especially in areas like around ... SWT

More plants? To fit the vegetation-starved desert theme?

What are you smoking? How many theme parks have you been to? Nasty bathrooms and bad odors are pretty terrible and it makes the park feel dirty. Parks like univeral studios Hollywood (who have maintenece in the bathrooms all the time to keep them clean by the way AND have misters EVERYWHERE in the park) is clean and odorless, and people dont trip over the water. I dont meen ride maintenece, but th people that clean. And they arent there to unclog toilets. Smoothe walkways? Brick looks better, and I dont think anyones going to get tired walking on a little of it. Besides, on rainy days the paths are really slippery in gam. Better yet, the bricks wont crack in Chicago's winter season like blacktop will. You dont like some of our ideas, so what would YOU do to change it?

[da rcman2001]

I have tons of ideas for improving the park. Some are a little crazy but dooable, and others are just smart things that are extremely possible and six flags never does um.

Easy Ideas:
1. To make the park cleaner, power wash the midways every night with street cleaners to get gum off.

2. Have a park maintenence employee in every bathroom during every opperating hour of the day.

3. Install misters over all the walkways and in lines that spray out a mixture of air freshener and water to get ridd of B.O., sewage odors, and the smell that comes from the waste treatment plant a mile away.

4. Reconnect Yukon territory and Bug's Ukon adv. into one big area, and install an interractive water play area with a big water bucket and crap like that, plus water slides themed to the pac. north west with names reffering to the timber industry (4got what its really called) like buzzsaw and stuff. Surround the play area with todem poles and pine trees.

5. Give Pictorium motion/ interactive seets and give it a Matrix 3: Revolutions 4D ride film with a themed queue next to go carts (flip the enterence and the exit). Add themeing in the side wall near the enterence (or the current exit0 to the theatre and expand the building out to make room for a cool sign and loading room.

6. Construct the six flags stage thats really just a park icon from gadv's fountain to the centerpiece of ssa's plaza.

7. Repave the enterence plaza to all brick.

More later ,gotta go.

I said I had to go, so now I'm back with more ideas. For the matrix thing, a little costly, but picture terminator 2:3d when i describe this. Your looking at one screen, and bullets are coming out of the screen and flying past you. People are kicking at you and freezing mid air directly in front of you. Then, at a seperate time, there could be 3 screens in the autotorium like T2:3d. Realy expensive, but you could just have a projection of the wall on thw wall, or the outside of an office building depending on the setting of the film. When someone gets thrown off a ledge and into it, or an explosion erupts inside, you could have a 3d affect that slows down and enlarges the vibrations to make it look like the whole building forms a wave but doesnt break. Just some cool ideas. A little over the top, and not too muck detail, but you get the idea.

For the ssa section, you could turn that whole area into a warner brothers backlot/hollywood film making section. Matrix, stargate, some cool backdrops, whatever.

I've been thinking about this for a while, but just got some really good ideas today that need some help still. Again, a little crazy. Maybe for carosuel plaza, you could move the entrence back a lot, and make room for a new enterence section themed after chicago. You could put a fountain in the reflecting pool and a gazebo in front of it, surrounded by gardens. This would recreate cantigny gardens. You could tie in some chicago architecture, the street clock from marshall fields, and some shops selling stuff from all the sports teams. You could make a recreation of buckingham fountain, and have a chicago tribune building. As for rides and food, you could have a ferris wheel from the 1904 worlds fair, a ride where you ride through and escape the chicago fire on a boat.

What do you think?

[twixmix0303]

I said I had to go, so now I'm back with more ideas. For the matrix thing, a little costly, but picture terminator 2:3d when i describe this. Your looking at one screen, and bullets are coming out of the screen and flying past you. People are kicking at you and freezing mid air directly in front of you. Then, at a seperate time, there could be 3 screens in the autotorium like T2:3d. Realy expensive, but you could just have a projection of the wall on thw wall, or the outside of an office building depending on the setting of the film. When someone gets thrown off a ledge and into it, or an explosion erupts inside, you could have a 3d affect that slows down and enlarges the vibrations to make it look like the whole building forms a wave but doesnt break. Just some cool ideas. A little over the top, and not too muck detail, but you get the idea....What do you think?

That sounds cool , but not family oriented so Six Flags wouldn't do it. Sounds more like a Universal thing. Oh well.

[da rcman2001]

Thanks, and i know it sounds like a universal thing but t2:3d was a warner bros. film that universal made a ride out of, and matrix is a w.b. film, and we have a warner bros. connected park. I just think that if six flags were to pump the money into something like this and make it for thrill seakers rather than the whole family like allmost all of their simulators, they could have a slam dunk. Plus, it could replace the option of building a coaster because its for teens and above, and it could provide a thrilling, scencery overload experience.

MOD Note: Don't Quote the post just above you.

[monopotassium]

What are you smoking? How many theme parks have you been to? Nasty bathrooms and bad odors are pretty terrible and it makes the park feel dirty. Parks like univeral studios Hollywood (who have maintenece in the bathrooms all the time to keep them clean by the way AND have misters EVERYWHERE in the park) is clean and odorless, and people dont trip over the water. I dont meen ride maintenece, but th people that clean. And they arent there to unclog toilets. Smoothe walkways? Brick looks better, and I dont think anyones going to get tired walking on a little of it. Besides, on rainy days the paths are really slippery in gam. Better yet, the bricks wont crack in Chicago's winter season like blacktop will. You dont like some of our ideas, so what would YOU do to change it?

You do realize that the climates of Hollywood, CA and Gurnee, IL differ vastly, don't you? Los Angeles has less rainfall from April thru November than Chicago does in just the month of July. For the months of June, July, and August (the months misters would be in use) Los Angeles averages less than 0.15 inches of rain, while Chicago averages 8400% that amount. Hollywood, California is extremely hot and dry, and is thus perfectly suited for the cooling provided by water misters. Gurnee, Illinois is not hot and water from misters will collect on the ground and add to humidity. Additionally, this dry heat of Hollywood is less inducive to active sweating.

Adding "air freshener" into water you're spraying on people is not a good idea. It would have to be safe for both the plant life and persons (and their exposed orifices and mucus membranes) in line.

Maintenance staff (the personnel you refer to) is far different from janitorial staff (the personnel you appear to be describing).

Actual brick proves more trouble to walk on than a smooth surface -- and the smooth "blacktop" certainly doesn't crack enough to affect that.


Now why should I have ideas to improve the park, sir?

[coasterdude12]

Ok,I just thought of Somethin'


Plymouth Place... needs a roller coaster.

SFGAm wants to complete all styles of B&M Rides right.



Take out the overpriced Go-Kart track and build the coaster there?


Am I right?

Edit: I agree with monopotassium.

[Jamesb58]

Wow, I didn't think that I would stir up a hornets nest. I know a few of you, didn't like my "stupid money" comment, so I'll try to explain a few things.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of the flat rides. So, the Mardi Gras area doesn't really interest me a lot. Flat rides really don't give me a thrill. So, sorry to all of you who do like the Flat Rides. I am respectful of all of your opinions and comments.

I do believe that Six Flags does need more Flat Rides, to keep the interest of "non-coaster" people, but, my comments are looking strickly from an Extreme Coaster fan. So, maybe my stupid money comment was out of line.

But the way I look at it is, I would love to see SFGAm become a solid competitor with Cedar Point. Now, I know I'll get a lot of comments about this, but, I'm a HUGE fan of Cedar Point. It is #1 in my books, with SFMM in a VERY close 2nd, and SFGAm at #3.

In my heart, I want to see SFGAm become #1, but it won't, until they start to build bigger and better coasters. Superman is a start, but they really need to concentrate on getting some of the bigger coasters here. I honestly believe that if they build a Floorless, another Hypercoaster and another steel looping coaster, they will attract more fans, thus, making more money and then they can worry about improving the rest of the park.

Once you have the Rollercoaster fans happy, then you can work on the rest of the fans that come to Six Flags. I hope you all understand what I am trying to say. If you don't, I am more than happy to discuss this with you on AIM. I'm always up for a good discussion/debate!

[SFGA Bob]

James, I understand that you're a big coasternut, but you have to look at things from the perspective of the GP. I once built an RCT park with a floorless coaster and a sit down looping coaster kinda close to each other. even in RCT that looked stupid. the whole reason I put both in was because I needed to use up room and I couldn't think of anything better to put in. if filling space or breaking records is your motive, then you run a big risk of sacrificing originality.

I love Great America because it is so original (for the most part). in fact, I put it above Cedar Point. CP may have the biggest, tallest, fastest coasters, but to me, GAm has the greatest. they have the greatest because they aren't so worried about breaking records that they don't focus on the other elements that make a good ride. when I rode Millennium Force, I was just starting to have the ride of my life when the train hit the brakes. my friends said it best when they asked, "What happened to the rest of it?" MF may have broken records, but it only did a medicore job doing to to my friends and me.

overall, no matter what GAm decides to do, I'd be much happier with an improvement focused on quality instead of quantity.

[Aero737]

Problems with brick:
-It is VERY expensive and high maintenance when compared to common sealed blacktop. You have to constantly be sure to keep grit/mortar between the bricks and make sure it remains a level surface. If you get a crack in a blacktop surface, who cares? You can throw some sealant on it and it will be no more.
-It is hard to clean. It looks bad if you have weeds popping up between the bricks which would happen after quite a few years unless the bricks are laid under road/street standards.
-It is easy to get a wheelchair/walker stuck in one of the ruts. I have seen older people have trouble getting across two tracks with wheelchairs/walkers. Yes I know, not many people bring walkers but you have to think about people. Strollers also have problems on beveled bricks.

Problems with misters:
-Expensive and tough to run plumbing to all the required locations.
-Ponding and pooling of water. The Coca-Cola Cool Zone doesn’t have dry pavement beneath it in the summer. Nor is there dry pavement under the train bridges when the misters are on. Chicago is known for high relative humidity and dew point levels in the summer which lead to decelerated evaporation rates.

Problems with SSA Back lot theme:
- It does not fit in well with the 'Great American' them that Great America is known for.

Also, please when you quote, do not quote the entire post and just talk about one part of the quoted post. Delete the irreverent information to keep the posts small. We do not need to see the same post quoted over and over and over again.

[w00dland]

Jamesb58 Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:32 am Post subject:

But the way I look at it is, I would love to see SFGAm become a solid competitor with Cedar Point. Now, I know I'll get a lot of comments about this, but, I'm a HUGE fan of Cedar Point. It is #1 in my books, with SFMM in a VERY close 2nd, and SFGAm at #3.

Alright now, I'm not blastering your opinion or anything, but when I asked my Mom and sister if they wanted to come to CP this summer with me and my dad they said no. It's not that they don't like roller coasters, its that they actually want to do something other than roller coasters. And for magic mountain, I really can't say because I've never been there. But I hear that it's not a great park because rides are always down and service is terrible. I'm just saying that in a non-coaster enthusiasts mind, roller coasters aren't everything.

[InsaneNewman]

Well, seeing as hypothesising about the future seems to be alright in this thread, I guess I'll repost my earlier idea, because I wanted feedback!

I think that the next major addition GAm should make is a "Big City" type-territory, where WC and SSA are right now, as shown HERE.

That way, they have room to expand, but can keep pictorium, SSA (sans shuttle), and Sky trek tower... Imagine a city street with tall buildings housing new rides, and the existing three being rethemed (a space needle, and an industrial-style movie theater and motion simulator...If they did a great job themeing and added an awesome coaster, this would be the best possible addition they could make.

Plus, new stuff attracts people, and they could add some of the high tech rides that we've been missing ("dark rides") because it would fit the more industrial theme. Also, new flats=more family friendly.

All around, while keeping the historical theme, I think this would be the best addtion. A metropolis is one of the few American "areas" our park doesn't have... What do you guys think?

[Adix]

Can I steal that quote and use it as my signature? lol. Well said. (not just in this instance, but when it comes to message boards in general).

Sure thing.

[coasterdude12]

That's an excellent idea



BUT where to put it?



My suggestion either build a new territory (Which they won't because of mardi gras) Or change Plymouth PLace's theme (Ya, I know whenever we need somethin' I always think to stick it in Plymouth Place

[SFGAM_and_the_BEARS!]

I dont think GAm needs anything for a while but since the mardi gras section was just built I think a coaster should be next to even out the family and thrill seekers.

[Drkstarboard]

WOW. Well said. I Agree with you 100%. Great America doesn't need the Tallest, Fastest, and Longest cosater in the World. Great America Is #1 on my list.

[w00dland]

Personally the way I think of it, CP is the place for records, and it should be kept that way. in my opinion of course, you probably don't see it that way.

[Drkstarboard]

I was agreeing with SFGA Bob

[planea380]

That way, they have room to expand, but can keep pictorium, SSA (sans shuttle), and Sky trek tower... Imagine a city street with tall buildings housing new rides, and the existing three being rethemed (a space needle, and an industrial-style movie theater and motion simulator...If they did a great job themeing and added an awesome coaster, this would be the best possible addition they could make.

Take that and make it a 60's Space age theme, the needle could work, and the space shuttle. Now add the 60's style buildings and you got yourself a new territory.

Problems with brick:
Problems with misters:
-Expensive and tough to run plumbing to all the required locations.
-Ponding and pooling of water. The Coca-Cola Cool Zone doesn’t have dry pavement beneath it in the summer. Nor is there dry pavement under the train bridges when the misters are on. Chicago is known for high relative humidity and dew point levels in the summer which lead to decelerated evaporation rates.

Another problem is what about people with hearing aids?