Nightmare31sfgam wrote:Six flags, if you see this sell six flags great america to cedar fair, thank you
Are you insane???!?!?!??!? HELL NO. Six Flags can sell ANY other of their parks to Cedar Fair, but if they touch SFGAm I'm calling Go Bananas or Donely's Wild West my homepark.
If our Great America was sold to Cedar Fair, Whizzer would have a much MUCH shorter life span, I would imagine. Unless they know not to make the same mistake twice (like removing Zambezi Zinger from Worlds of Fun)... but there are probably different people in charge now, right?
The park would run like clockwork (after a few years of smart training), but I think we would lose some of our classic rides quicker. Flumes, etc. And no more rainy Demon rides!
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gottastrata33 wrote:They're fun coasters for any park with limited room & sadly that's us.
Repeat till blue in the face: There is PLENTY of room for expansion at Six Flags Great America
The park might *want* you to think there isn't enough room for... say an RMC topper track hybrid coaster (Goliath) to have a full length track, but they are trying to distract you from the real reason. They don't want to say "well, we don't want to spend the extra money on a FULL roller coaster, so here's a sort of test track ride," which might make business sense, considering the clientele. They know people will go with whatever they say. So they tell everyone "we did what we could with the space." It's bullsh*t.
Google Grona Lund, Liseberg, Blackpool Pleasure Beach, Indiana Beach, etc.
I was riding Logger's Run the other night and was thinking just how much room they have in and around those 2 flumes to build a couple coasters and several flat rides.
Remember, it's not a space issue. It's a money issue. Accept the truth, yes, but let's keep it real here.
Now wait, I was saying in comparison to SFGAdv for example. They literally have huge amounts of land surrounding their park that we simply do not have, that's the truth. Six flags America has the most. It's insane. I have said it several times on this sites IF our park wanted to make a massive ride work, they can do it. I have brought up parks like SFOG with Goliath, Gröna Lund & Indiana beach. I understand that. But again, it would take them to be very creative with utilizing space over current attractions & do they want to do thAT? Prob not
I hear ya about Great Adventure. But look how silly they use their space. 2 of their main rides (or 3?) are at the dead end of thin pathways (Kingda Ka/Bizarro). It's a bad set up. I think we have one of the best layouts of any Six Flags park, hands down. Some people don't like the loop, but I prefer it over crowded dead ends. Now if the park would hurry up and build the "Magic Bridge" that connects the Batman area to Hometown Square!!! Could you imagine how nice that would be!
Yeah no. I actually say Six Flags needs to buy Michigan's Adventure. It would help that park immensely. You have to admit, besides a giant B&M every now & then, CF doesn't add a lot of interesting things like Six Flags. We all complain about SF a lot but really they're adding new age attractions year after year. Within the last several years six flags had introduced -
Justice League BFM, Full Throttle, The S&S 4D free spins, XFlight, the first true RMC - New Texas Giant which developed into several new hybrid coasters for the world to see along with Goliath, the massive Sky Screamers, interactive kids areas etc etc.
You really can't say SF additions have been boring or small when many CF parks are receiving the exact same water slide complex, a Starbucks & family flat rides OR nothing at all. You think they're better than what our parks receive cause you're seeing Fury325, Valravn or Banshee being added. Our park alone has seen Xflight, Goliath, & JLBFM in just 4yrs. That would probably take any CF park other than CP a decade to recive such additions. Lol
So true. Michigan's adventure needs help, and a 4d free fly, nice b&m looper or even a gurstlauer infinity/euro fighter would work, premier launch or sky rocket ii would make the park sehr gut. Clones...but it would bring A LOT more people to the park. If they did that, I wouldn't mind taking a haul to that park
^ Same. Plus, it's only 4 hours from our park, so it'd be the closest park we can use our passes at (Besides SFGAm). I also hear Thunderhawk isn't bad at all, and Shivering Timbers is one of the best woodies out there. And if they got a few new coasters, it'd be amazing.
I totally will agree with the Great Adventure land usage - horribly done. They don't need to take anything out to out in anything new! But yet they continue to. I'm still wondering why they took out Rolling Thunder. Anyways... Michigans Adventure would so well as a six flags park. I really dont understand why CF keeps it. It wouldn't be that hard for them to have put in a small B&M by now or even a new GCI.
Ugh still nothing leaked, nothing teased. Nothing haha like I said, I'm thinking it's pretty clear Sept 1st is the only thing we will see posted no matter what it is. & no matter what it is, remember what I said about our park the last 4 years, let alone the last decade.
We're clearly not going to get the more elaborate teasers of previous years, but I still wouldn't be surprised at all to see something posted beforehand, even if it's just a tweet or something on Snapchat.
gottastrata33 wrote:I totally will agree with the Great Adventure land usage - horribly done. They don't need to take anything out to out in anything new! But yet they continue to. I'm still wondering why they took out Rolling Thunder. Anyways... Michigans Adventure would so well as a six flags park. I really dont understand why CF keeps it. It wouldn't be that hard for them to have put in a small B&M by now or even a new GCI.
Ugh still nothing leaked, nothing teased. Nothing haha like I said, I'm thinking it's pretty clear Sept 1st is the only thing we will see posted no matter what it is. & no matter what it is, remember what I said about our park the last 4 years, let alone the last decade.
2 Things,
1. Great Adventure has really odd planning restrictions where they can't remove a bunch of trees or locals will get pissed. See the Solar Panels for example.
2. Cedar Fair bought Michigan's Adventure so Six Flags couldn't and they didn't want another Six Flags Ohio. They also probably won't sell it cause it's competition, Probably the same reason why they haven't sold Wildwater Kingdom and just let it limp with nothing really new since 2006.
Jersey has some insane restrictions. My friend worked at SFGAdv & the whole Zumanjaro thing was just a mess.
Hey, every park has its crazy locals. Alton Towers has the WORST & remember when Goliath was announced what a little uproar that caused with the drop facing homes. Lol
Still am not over how many locals from so many SF parks are talkin about an S&S free spin on their forums. What a weird season guys haha
I'm not a fan how there is hardly any teasing chain wide. I would think it would be a smart idea marketing wise. Sure, coaster enthusiasts are the minority, but it gets people talking and through the gates. I mean look how many people went to get last rides on Orbit and see the aftermath of it. Speculation makes people want to go.
Dan The Coaster Man wrote:I'm not a fan how there is hardly any teasing chain wide. I would think it would be a smart idea marketing wise. Sure, coaster enthusiasts are the minority, but it gets people talking and through the gates. I mean look how many people went to get last rides on Orbit and see the aftermath of it. Speculation makes people want to go.
How many people DID go to get last rides on the Orbit? I highly suspect it was a much smaller number than you seem to think. And I suspect most of those who did go were people who had passes anyway, so it's not like that necessarily made the park any more money.
The teases can be fun, and get (maybe) a few hundred people on message boards excited, but those are also the people who are going to be interested anyway. I really doubt there's any difference in ticket sales between teasing starting in August and just announcing in September.
Nightmare31sfgam wrote:Six flags, if you see this sell six flags great america to cedar fair, thank you
Bad idea......2 words.... Geuaga Lake
G-Am is far enough away from CP and KI for it to not cannibalize. So a purchase wouldn't result in the parking shutting down, all the B&M steels (and V2) being shipped out to the C and D tier CF parks with Viper, Whizzer and AE ripped down and Goliath left to rot on the land waiting for someone to buy it.
That being said. If CF buys G-Am would we be treated like King's Island or Carowinds? Or pretty much every other park in the chain not named Cedar Point.
Oh and by the way, it's not a guaranteed increase in guest satisfaction. The forgotten CF parks (VF, MA, CW) aren't exactly getting great reviews regarding friendliness at the park. CF parks are pretty much tiered out just like SF.
Honestly CF should sell off Michigan's Adventure, the stand alone Wildwater Kingdom, and Gilroy Gardens. They do nothing at all in any of those parks. Those three parks are easily the most neglected parks in the chain if not all of the US. For all of them being owned by CF that's just really sad. SF on the other hand shouldn't sell off any of there parks, except for Great Escape, but that's about it.
Well gilroy gardens is meant mainly for families, they aren't putting new thrilling coasters in because its family based. Plus, the park is 30 miles from CGA, 85 from SFDK and about 250 from SFMM. so thrill seekers who live by that park don't have to ever worry
jmanporty7 wrote:Honestly CF should sell off Michigan's Adventure, the stand alone Wildwater Kingdom, and Gilroy Gardens. They do nothing at all in any of those parks. Those three parks are easily the most neglected parks in the chain if not all of the US. For all of them being owned by CF that's just really sad. SF on the other hand shouldn't sell off any of there parks, except for Great Escape, but that's about it.
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With CP Shores I have a feeling Wildwater may not be much longer for this world.
At this point, I'm pretty convinced we're getting either nothing or another pathetic flat ride. Labor day is right around the corner, and there hasn't been any kind of teaser as in the past. Also, why reveal the ride with no teasers on Sept 1 when the park is basically closed for the rest of the month at that point, more or less? I get that they make a huge push during FF to promote early pass buys for the following year. That said, why not get people psyched up for it earlier? Anyway, it's hard to ignore all the 4D Free Spin rumors here, but I'm still hanging my hopes on a really beautiful launched coaster that flows through Picnic Grove.
aaron60060 wrote:At this point, I'm pretty convinced we're getting either nothing or another pathetic flat ride. Labor day is right around the corner, and there hasn't been any kind of teaser as in the past. Also, why reveal the ride with no teasers on Sept 1 when the park is basically closed for the rest of the month at that point, more or less? I get that they make a huge push during FF to promote early pass buys for the following year. That said, why not get people psyched up for it earlier? Anyway, it's hard to ignore all the 4D Free Spin rumors here, but I'm still hanging my hopes on a really beautiful launched coaster that flows through Picnic Grove.
The chain always announces right before Labor Day, so I wouldn't read anything into that. I also don't know if there's anything to read into lack of teases. Besides (correct me if I'm wrong) one FB post by a SFFT, none of the parks have teased at all, so it might just be a new thing that the chain is trying. Also remember there were lots of teases for igNight and Hometown Park, so don't think that somehow teases equals huge addition.
anewman35 wrote:The chain always announces right before Labor Day, so I wouldn't read anything into that. I also don't know if there's anything to read into lack of teases. Besides (correct me if I'm wrong) one FB post by a SFFT, none of the parks have teased at all, so it might just be a new thing that the chain is trying. Also remember there were lots of teases for igNight and Hometown Park, so don't think that somehow teases equals huge addition.
Plus we just got Justice League this year so one shouldnt get their hopes up for next season. Just like we wouldn't have gotten amped up in 2015 and 2013 knowing we just got Goliath and X-Flight a year earlier.
Flats aren't pathetic. They're the connective tissues that holds parks together. Flats being in families and draw crowds away from the coasters when the lines are perceived as being too long.
Just because we got a big addition does not mean we won't get a coaster. Look at Great Adventure. They got Joker this year and are getting Justice League next year according to all the meetings notes that have leaked. So anything is possible for us.
As for everyone wanting something in the picnic grove....I've said it numerous times before for the past I don't know how many years now. Whenever we see survey markers, something shows up in that spot 2 years later. Unless that's changed nothing is happening with the picnic grove for 2017. Maybe something 2018 though!
