^The thing about Demon is that you are going the worst time to go to the park, and that's why the wait is so long. The read to succeed program is ending, and kids are about to go back to school, so they want to get to the park as much as possible before they can't wait until weekends.
Also, it doesn't matter if you run 3 or 5 trains on a coaster if the trains are always stacking. I think the way Demon is, I think 3 trains doesn't make sense because they don't tend to send them out fast enough to warrant 3 trains.
I don't want Demon to leave! Iron Wolf I didn't want to leave either, and it did (Though, it makes sense why it left, and I'm still surprised it didn't go to the junkyard.), but if Demon does go, it makes sense. The ride is just not as popular as it was before, and you just don't keep old rides because they are old. If you asked me which rides do you not like, and want to leave the park, I can assure Demon is not the ride I would put on that list. I would put rides like Giant Drop (Don't hate, but won't ride anymore because of the multiple bad reports about other rides of this type), King Chaos, American Eagle, and something like River Rocker much much before Demon.
Again, I wouldn't think this would be for another 5 years at least for them to add another coaster, and probably would have to remove a coaster for it. So, don't worry about it now.
There is also the Southwest Amphitheater that become such a disgrace because they gave up on it. Move the stuff they have there in the Grand Music Hall on specific days.
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Project 2013...just posted on Twitter and Facebook
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I have to agree with you on that one rides dont last forever eventually great america will have to get rid of one of them. Im just glad were getting a big woodden crate for next year
 who knows but since its a wooden crate it could be a new wooden coaster, indoor dark ride, or even better a giga, a13 loop coaster, or a one of a kind new ride that no other park in the world has nobody knows will just have to wait and see but we should be glad were getting something in 2013 its better than nothing.
It ran just fine with 3 trains for the first 15 or so years:  I remember the time after Shockwave went in (after the SGAdventure Lightnin' Loops incident. Demon, Shockwave and every Arrow coaster in the Six Flags chain received those huge HOOP "Dolly Parton" additions to their harnesses.) Demon trains would occasionally stack, and it was like "what's going on?" It would take at the least an additional employee to get anywhere near the capacity it once had. I doubt it's higher than 50% efficient (well... same goes for every ride in the park). "It is what it is/things change." Upping capacity too much would hurt their pay-to-cut sales, anyway. facebook.com/GayCoasterGuy
If I am not mistaken (and if I am somebody please correct me!) Demon user to run with an unload platform which is now the break prior to the station. Saving that little bit of unload time would certainly help you get closer to interval (realistically this is drop to first loop).
On the note of Eagle, the commercial did say last ride, but it is only for the summer as somebody already mentioned. Put the insanity of Eagle coming down to rest. As for the track topper, somebody said that rattler is closing shortly for it. I believe that park opens much earlier than Great America. So if they only needed a certain amount of time to complete it they might be able to hold off until later to do it for Eagle... especially because of Eagles shorter track length. Now to address whats in the box... as Galvan stated flavor of the month is Sky Screamer, and based on its popularity in St. Louis I cant imagine why they wouldn't do it up here as well. I find the expansion of a kiddie are intor iron wolfs area unlikely. I also dont think they would announce a paint job unless it was some interactive announcement where the GP gets to pick the color combination... and we all know nobody wants that. Just my two cents, feel free to agree or rip it apart. -Remember there's nothing but air beneath the chair.
^Demon could be sent out faster than it is now if the workers were faster checking harnesses, but again you don't want to overwork your workers that much. I have seen them do a wonderful job with 3 trains before, but the workers were walking very fast, and that's tiring. The whole thing is that Demon uses less workers than let's say Batman the Ride right now. Batman is using 5 in the station right now, and I'm not including the Flash Pass person. If Demon had 5, you would see 3 trains run efficiently, but the way it is, they aren't going to hire more workers especially since Demon to me is one of the least packed coasters in the park.
What bugs me more is the in-efficiency when they run 2 trains for Whizzer, and Demon. Instead of sending the trains as early as they can (once it hits that block brake that is after the tunnel for Demon or for Whizzer it's the track with the brake that goes around the lifthill), they wait completely for the train to about park in back of the other train to let it go. If they did send it early all the time on both coasters, there would never be any reason to run 3 trains on either one because the line would go much faster on both rides. That waste of time could be 30 seconds, but it adds up depending on how many trains you are waiting in line. If you are waiting for 10 trains, that's an extra 5 minutes. For 20 trains, that's 10 minutes. I'm guessing on how much time they would save - 30 seconds but they might even save more than that. About the box, someone brought up the idea that the box is written like Acme from the Looney Tunes, and from what I have researched, they are making a lot of sense. It is stenciled just like that. Look at this from the cartoon: http://toonbarn.com/wordpress/wp-conten ... ehouse.jpg "I've been staring at the world, waiting. All the trouble and all the pain we're facing. Too much light to be livin' in the dark. Why waste time? We only got one life. Together we can be the CHANGE. So go and let your heart burn bright"
^I didn't really believe the rumors about the kiddy ride merge into looney tunes, but when I saw the crate, it reminded me of ACME. This gave me the feeling that the rumor may possibly be true. I think it would make sense to merge the kiddy rides, but I'm not so sure on where they would do it...
That was occasionally used in the event of a shutdown or other rare cases. If you watch that old skyride video, you can see there was never a *need* to use the unload platform. With very slow operations (see any SF park today) an unload platform will help *IF* trains are stacking. If trains are NOT stacking (the way Demon ran 99% of the time "back then") an unload platform cuts down efficiency. The unload platforms were used "as needed." Totally different than the ones we have on Millennium Force, Knoebel's woodies, Kennywood Thunderbolt, etc. Use of the Demon unload platform stopped in the early 80's around the same time Whizzer got seatbelts. Whizzer also used it's unload platform early on. After the accident on the California Whizzer*, soon after the unload platforms could NOT be used (insurance boundaries I believe.) Up until that point, random ride ops could supervise unloading at those unload platforms, but as the years went on, unloading at those points required a specific combination (of which I do not remember the details) of maintenance/manager/ride ops. Another thing I remember about Demon is that when the trains did stack or get close to stacking, a train could come right up against the back of the one in the station. Just like Whizzer still does today. *Whizzer accident. A young boy was either trying to get into or out of his seat when another train came behind and bumped the first train. He fell and died. I'm not sure how exactly he died (head injury, etc.); it's hard to find detailed reports on stuff that old. I'm thinking by the time Six Flags took over (1984?) the seatbelts showed up on our Whizzer; may have even been a year or two later. They weren't on the ride immediately after the California accident as some of the articles report, but maybe the California Whizzer got them then. facebook.com/GayCoasterGuy
*Whizzer accident. A young boy was either trying to get into or out of his seat when another train came behind and bumped the first train. He fell and died. I'm not sure how exactly he died (head injury, etc.); it's hard to find detailed reports on stuff that old. I'm thinking by the time Six Flags took over (1984?) the seatbelts showed up on our Whizzer; may have even been a year or two later. They weren't on the ride immediately after the California accident as some of the articles report, but maybe the California Whizzer got them then.[/quote]
supposedly he was getting on the ride and the train rammed the other train he fell on the track and got ran over.... SFGAm Visits 2016 - 81
Oranges and Peaches come in the same type of crate, I wouldn't look at the type of crate for any type of clues as to what the 2013 addition will be.  
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I hate the fact you are stopping people from making creative assumptions on what the new addition can be. Obviously you know what we're getting next year at the park  RIP IRON WOLF
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Umm, How am I stopping anyone from anything? All I said is That Peaches and Oranges come in the same type of crate. assume much?
Galvan, why even have this topic if we can't speculate about anything?
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I agree that the crate probably has nothing to do with the addition. If you google image search wood crate, they pretty much all look like that, and stencil letter is pretty common on wood things.
Okay,
All I said was that peaches and oranges come in that crate and therefore I doubt the box itself is anything as a clue. HOW I ask is that preventing anyone from speculating or anything? Especially since I am the one speculating just as others where as well? Good Lord some people need to slow down some.
Why are people talking about the crate? It's just a teaser and doesnt mean anything. It just shows that SFGAm is definitely getting something next year. There aren't any context clues about the crate really, well, it's just a crate.
Just let the people speculate I guess. If people want to say the crate means something then by god let them do so. Its not hurting anyone. Honestly I thought this was a lame teaser that SFGAm did. Why not perhaps show a closeup of maybe the logo of the new attraction or something? Or the old puzzle game? Xlight total rides:
50 times and in every row except front row left wing.
If you cant speculate without somehow connecting it to the crate then wow...
Bottom line is nobody knows what it will be. However, no good business plan calls for the removal of a kids area only to re-add it a few years down the road. My money is still on sky screamer. -Remember there's nothing but air beneath the chair.
Put me down for one of those swing rides that every Six Flags park ever of all time has added recently. My wild guess is that it replaces Condor. Apart from that, I dunno...Hurricane Harbor additions are always a safe bet- a water coaster along the lines of Wildebeest or Mammoth?
Ideally (for me) the crate would contain bulldozers and a wrecking ball to be used for the relocation of S:UF to the nearest dump. It would be the purest example of addition by subtraction. Keep Eurofighters in Europe
I would be overjoyed if this was the case! Anyway, I agree with the fact that a sky screamer does sound like a likely addition, whether or not this new kiddy expansion happens. Would condor have enough space for this though? I mean it doesn't seem likely for them to keep it if a sky screamer is added, but I feel like there isn't enough space for it to go there. Does anyone know how wide of a diameter sky screamers require?
It is just a Crate! It's a way of showing that, what ever is coming in 2013, will be opened on said date. Doesn't mean what ever is coming, came in a crate!
No Different then using the Puzzle Pieces to announce Hurricane Harbor, It didn't mean we were getting a Puzzle
I think there would be enough room IF they were to replace Condor. For St. Louis, they just took away a Yo-Yo for that ride which isn't the biggest footprint. Here's a picture of a random Yo-Yo: http://www.ci.green-bay.wi.us/BayBeach/ ... s/YoYo.jpg "I've been staring at the world, waiting. All the trouble and all the pain we're facing. Too much light to be livin' in the dark. Why waste time? We only got one life. Together we can be the CHANGE. So go and let your heart burn bright"
^That makes perfect sense to me to replace condor then, if we were to get one.
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I just hope It's taller than Condor. I still think an Interactive Dark ride for some reason. The boxes just make me want to find the ACME logo on them 943 Coasters around the World! Countdown to 1000!
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You would think they would at least bust a hole in that crate everyweek for a clue u gotta luv six flags at least well know what it is before the 2013 season starts it could be a new wooden coaster since it is a wooden crate or an indoor dark ride since its a box. If its a Starflyer clone its still a good addittion but giant drop should go if they add one the park dont need two tall chunk of metal in the skyline one that nobody even rides or one tall whirligig that during a windstorm will be closed all day but with the money theyre spending on a starflyer clone they could easily buy a less expensive medium thrill coaster.
They posted it last Wednesday so if they're going to "bust a hole in that crate", they'll probably post it tomorrow.
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