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Postby DiveMachine on August 20th, 2010, 7:18 pm
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Postby BrianPlencner on August 20th, 2010, 10:20 pm
david wrote:^ Then don't.


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Postby BLADE on August 20th, 2010, 10:57 pm
david wrote:^ Then don't.
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Postby david on August 21st, 2010, 12:18 am
I tell it like it is. I don't beat around the bush. no point in doing so.

Like Brian said, if your not happy then leave.
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Postby deja blues on August 21st, 2010, 12:32 am
Ok, I've tried to be nice on this site and now you guys bash us?

Lets get some facts straight:
-Gadv does have some marquee attractions(Nitro, Toro, Ka), but not enough to sustain guests. The park was PACKED on a weekday where the log flume had a 2 hr. wait at 9:00 pm(wtf?) Chang can only help us with Capacity. If anything our park needs the capacity machine.
-Guests spread out? Have you seen Movietown and LakeFront at our park compared to Plaza De Carnival, Golden Kingdom and even Fronteir Adventures? The left side of the park is SO strong ride wise that the #3 ranked steel coaster on the planet and an intense invert's section of the park is mostly a ghost town.
-Popular coaster? Since when was Medusa popular? It was SO unpopular that the park decided not to open it in the morning. People thought it would leave before Scream machine did! Thats actually how unpopular it was. Then Bizarro became #1...

Please stop bashing us, I'm tired of coming on these boards to defend myself, my friends, and my home park.

I don't get how you guys can not sustain guests with Nitro and El Toro, I mean Hershey is close but not that close, it's basically like your Wisconsin Dells. I can understand how the guests are not spread out, but you think putting another ride on the left side is going to help, here's a hint it won't. Lastly, if your GP is so fooled by a paint job and a couple cut outs then .... fill in the blank.

Also, if your not expecting to be bashed when you constantly bring up how we are spoiled and ungrateful because we are upset that we didn't get a roller coaster then you also need to fill in the blank.
"Park staff later claimed that they were offered a hundred bucks a pop to try to the slide, but refused after seeing that test dummies often emerged on the other end dismembered. The looping slide was actually closed down for most of the park’s life due to these injury concerns."
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Postby david on August 21st, 2010, 12:42 am
I love how because they get about 100,000 more guests, they suddenly become the best park evar! :roll:
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Postby deja blues on August 21st, 2010, 12:46 am
david wrote:I love how because they get about 100,000 more guests, they suddenly become the best park evar! :roll:


No they get 100,000 more quests and apparently they need more flats, more coasters, and more of everything because they are the flagship. There are other parks that need it so much, SFSL, SFGE, SFNE anyone?
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Postby david on August 21st, 2010, 12:52 am
To tell you the truth, I think Six Flags should shut down Great Escape and make it a hotel only water resort.
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Postby RagingFanatic on August 21st, 2010, 2:58 am
Anyone who says that GAdv needs a ride for capacity reasons needs to revisit the park a little bit more. Just looking through it, you see that you have 2 or 3 big coasters together, then the rest are spread out all over the place! And if you guys don't want Medusa, we'll take it!

Also, no one should have to "defend" their own park! It's a theme park, you go to have fun, not a rivalry between two parks of the same chain!

Finally, david, I think you tell it like it is with a little sugar added in there xD
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Postby Cole on August 21st, 2010, 8:19 am
Galvan316 wrote:^ Thank you for the kind words.




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Postby DiveMachine on August 21st, 2010, 8:27 am
deja blues wrote:Ok, I've tried to be nice on this site and now you guys bash us?

Lets get some facts straight:
-Gadv does have some marquee attractions(Nitro, Toro, Ka), but not enough to sustain guests. The park was PACKED on a weekday where the log flume had a 2 hr. wait at 9:00 pm(wtf?) Chang can only help us with Capacity. If anything our park needs the capacity machine.
-Guests spread out? Have you seen Movietown and LakeFront at our park compared to Plaza De Carnival, Golden Kingdom and even Fronteir Adventures? The left side of the park is SO strong ride wise that the #3 ranked steel coaster on the planet and an intense invert's section of the park is mostly a ghost town.
-Popular coaster? Since when was Medusa popular? It was SO unpopular that the park decided not to open it in the morning. People thought it would leave before Scream machine did! Thats actually how unpopular it was. Then Bizarro became #1...

Please stop bashing us, I'm tired of coming on these boards to defend myself, my friends, and my home park.

I don't get how you guys can not sustain guests with Nitro and El Toro, I mean Hershey is close but not that close, it's basically like your Wisconsin Dells. I can understand how the guests are not spread out, but you think putting another ride on the left side is going to help, here's a hint it won't. Lastly, if your GP is so fooled by a paint job and a couple cut outs then .... fill in the blank.

Also, if your not expecting to be bashed when you constantly bring up how we are spoiled and ungrateful because we are upset that we didn't get a roller coaster then you also need to fill in the blank.

I've never once said you guys are spoiled and ungrateful.

I'm not on here to start fights and yell at you guys, I'm sorry I make it seem that way. If you guys don't want me to defend myself when you bash me out of nowhere, that sucks. I didn't even start this one:
"Now for the few Great Adventure fanboys that walk on over here from time to time...
You have received the worlds tallest and at one point, fastest roller coaster on the face of the planet. You then received El Toro, which is one of the best wooden coasters on the planet. You also have an extremely solid line up of coasters much like we do, but with those two gems on top of it. Those two gems of yours totally spread people out amongst the park. Now now now, don't bother telling me how close Kingda Ka and El Toro are to each other. But the point is, you get a huge portion of the guests going straight to either of those rides in the morning. Leaving much of the park calm for the beginning of the day. Once people hit Ka and El Toro, they spread in all different directions. Now add on top of that the fact that you completely refurbished an already popular roller coaster in your park, added The Dark Knight, and you are now getting Chang. Great Adventure has people all over the park with all these appealing attractions to guests that are going to take them all over the park all day. Most will surge to the newer ones, but that will keep the lines of the others at ease. That is exactly what our park needs right now. Just ONE more capacity machine to eat up guests."

Its simple, don't bash me, I won't come back on this site to defend myself.

All, I did was use some facts:
-Gadv does have some marquee attractions(Nitro, Toro, Ka), but not enough to sustain guests. The park was PACKED on a weekday where the log flume had a 2 hr. wait at 9:00 pm(wtf?) Chang can only help us with Capacity. If anything our park needs the capacity machine.
-Guests spread out? Have you seen Movietown and LakeFront at our park compared to Plaza De Carnival, Golden Kingdom and even Fronteir Adventures? The left side of the park is SO strong ride wise that the #3 ranked steel coaster on the planet and an intense invert's section of the park is mostly a ghost town.
-Popular coaster? Since when was Medusa popular? It was SO unpopular that the park decided not to open it in the morning. People thought it would leave before Scream machine did! Thats actually how unpopular it was. Then Bizarro became #1...

and said I don't like you guys bashing us when weve stopped bashing you

unless you guys want to bash me again, I'm done with this site
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Postby Cole on August 21st, 2010, 8:32 am
^I agree with you Raging Fanatic.

You guys basically came on this forum to say, were getting, Chang, not you. And your constant saying how you "need" and "deserve" Chang, because your the "flagship park" is just ridiculous. Basically every other park in the chain besides Magic Mountain, and maybe Great America needs Chang more then you guys do. I know it sounds fanboyish, but its not. Im glad were not getting Chang, because its a "perfect" fit for you guys!

(Oh and by the way aquaz, you say theres alot of complaining on this forum? Great Adventure is getting a 150 standup, and the gadv.com people STILL complain about how its the end of the world cause there park has no flats!)

Sorry Galvan, im done now.
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Postby BLADE on August 21st, 2010, 9:27 am
DiveMachine wrote:Lets get some facts straight:
-Gadv does have some marquee attractions(Nitro, Toro, Ka), but not enough to sustain guests. The park was PACKED on a weekday where the log flume had a 2 hr. wait at 9:00 pm(wtf?) Chang can only help us with Capacity. If anything our park needs the capacity machine.
-Guests spread out? Have you seen Movietown and LakeFront at our park compared to Plaza De Carnival, Golden Kingdom and even Fronteir Adventures? The left side of the park is SO strong ride wise that the #3 ranked steel coaster on the planet and an intense invert's section of the park is mostly a ghost town.
-Popular coaster? Since when was Medusa popular? It was SO unpopular that the park decided not to open it in the morning. People thought it would leave before Scream machine did! Thats actually how unpopular it was. Then Bizarro became #1...

Please stop bashing us, I'm tired of coming on these boards to defend myself, my friends, and my home park.


Just like I asked sciopiomask, another GrAd fanboy, How does Chang help with a 2 hour wait on a water ride? Does Chang have some sort of magical powers?
All 3 of these marquee rides you mentioned, are ranked higher than anything we have. They are so good that they overshadowed another B&M, the former Medusa, that would be a headliner at many other parks.
So people obviously just choose to ride from only a select few coasters, which causes an imbalance in lines.
Everything you wrote in your ridiculous post is exactly why you don't need Chang.
It's really too bad GrAd didn't get the Buccaneer Battle ride to help out those 2 hour flume lines.
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Postby david on August 21st, 2010, 10:21 am
I know I usually am not the one to end this. But I am.

If you don't like Great America, or the assortment of other Great America forums, then leave. If you don't want to be here it's your choice. You we're never required to come here.

Please, and thank you. :arrow:
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Postby DiveMachine on August 21st, 2010, 11:06 am
david wrote:I know I usually am not the one to end this. But I am.

If you don't like Great America, or the assortment of other Great America forums, then leave. If you don't want to be here it's your choice. You we're never required to come here.

Please, and thank you. :arrow:

I LOVE SFGam, and I do like these forums, but when we stopped coming on here and you guys persisted, we come here to defend ourselves and use logic to explain something
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Postby Philly 589 on August 21st, 2010, 12:53 pm
This is a SFGam forum, making it our home park. If something doesn't go our way (i.e Chang) then people on this site will react the way they did because we enjoy SFGam so much. You can't convince people on one park's home fansite that another park is better/ needed the ride more/etc. It just won't happen. We will still have our beliefs and you guys will have yours. Lets put this rant thats been going on forever to rest. I'm tired of all this complaining
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Postby Galvan on August 21st, 2010, 4:43 pm
Okay,

This back and forth B.S. between SFGAdv. fans and SFGAm fans is done and over with.

I have no problem with a friendly and intelligent debate between park fans, but some of the banter here is down right childish.


SFGAdv fans As a member of the staff here at SFGAmWorld, I welcome you here and thank for taking the time out to visit our fan site, we hope that aside from some of the nonsense seen recently, that you continue to visit us here, and we welcome a friendly and intelligent conversation with you.

SFGAm fans, SFGamWorld is the best fan site for Six Flags Great America for a reason, we will treat everyone here with respect, regardless of our differences. If you have a problem with this, I suggest PMing me so I can deactivate your account.

This will be the VERY last time I want to see ridiclous back and forth childish banter on this site regarding people from other parks and visitors to out site.

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Postby acquaz10 on August 21st, 2010, 5:18 pm
^Mike I have to go against what you just said for one post. Sorry about this. I need to reply to a few things and can't use PM right now.
Bizzaro Badger wrote:(Oh and by the way aquaz, you say theres alot of complaining on this forum? Great Adventure is getting a 150 standup, and the gadv.com people STILL complain about how its the end of the world cause there park has no flats!)


It is the end of the world because the park has no flats. Have you been to the park? The park is boring if you don't like big coasters. You could finish the park in less than three hours just riding everything once on a good day. Plus they're not complaining much. Its just a few members. Its most members on here that are whiners.

Why can't El Toro and Kingda Ka sustain guests? Because they're right on top of each other, thats why. That whole side of the park is packed, like Divemachine mentioned.

Also, adding Chang won't make much of a difference and I have to keep stressing this, Chang is not going to be the biggest addition to a Six Flags park in 2011, shut up and stop worrying about this. GAdv is actually kind of getting the short end of the stick if you think about it. (You probably think I'm crazy.) But its the truth. Ka and Toro ruined that park in my opinion. Now the GP expects new big things each year. Chang is a cheap way to provide that.

Does SFGAM need another roller coaster? Go check out the Six Flags blog, check out the post from the 18th. New coasters for each park. Happy?
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Postby david on August 21st, 2010, 5:27 pm
Coasters.

Not every park is getting one.

Chang
THBS for new England.
Texas Giant for Overt Texas.

Three is more than one. Your answer.
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Postby DiveMachine on August 21st, 2010, 5:49 pm
david wrote:Coasters.

Not every park is getting one.

Chang
THBS for new England.
Texas Giant for Overt Texas.

Three is more than one. Your answer.

I'm not trying to start an argument, but you realize SFNE already has SF's original gerslauter spinner, right? Pandemonium. I think if any park gets a THBS, I think it's SFOG, but that's in my opinion
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Postby david on August 21st, 2010, 5:54 pm
That was my fault, which East COast park is supposed to get one? Is it Six Flags America? Also, there are rumors for a THBS headed for Georgia, aren't there?
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Postby DiveMachine on August 21st, 2010, 6:10 pm
david wrote:That was my fault, which East COast park is supposed to get one? Is it Six Flags America? Also, there are rumors for a THBS headed for Georgia, aren't there?

yep, boh are rumored for THBS. I think only SFOG will get one because part of SFA's rumor is that they have to perform well and with I305 opening in the area IDK if they can do that
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Postby acquaz10 on August 21st, 2010, 6:11 pm
The Foursquare contest called for a winner from each park to get an unlimited exit pass, which is what the blog was talking about. Putting it out there that its a big possibility that all parks are getting coasters :)
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Postby Cole on August 21st, 2010, 10:22 pm
Every park is getting a coaster? Is SF trying to go bankrupt again? :roll:
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Postby david on August 21st, 2010, 10:33 pm
To tell you the truth. No.

I think this will drive attendance, and all of these coasters are most likely already bought. And they do have the finances to pay them off since they made an unscheduled payment of almost $25 million this month. So, if it's true, Six Flags is in a good spot.

I feel like I'm not making sense. Let me break it down. (hah.)

Six Flags most likely purchased about 6 coasters. Totaling to approximately $60 million.

The coasters are probably financed, and will be paid in chunks.

Six Flags would not make an unscheduled payment of $25 million if they didn't have enough to pay off these coasters.
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