rizash wrote:I meant maintain, refinish, restore and repair. If batman needed major track overhauls, new cars, and a station overhaul, it would be worth it to many people even if it cost more than the ride did new in 92. Same can be said for bull, v2, or american eagle. Just an opinion....
Yeah, agreed. You need to be more specific on what you mean by "rebuilt"
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david wrote:I think that you think it's as easy as pie to maintain a coaster. When the track gets old, throw it away and get a new one. It's not that simple.
Not Even Close, they are talking about painting, etc.
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Actually I have an idea how insanely hard it is to maintain steel and wood structures and machinery, that's why I said they will need major overhauls eventually. Wooden coasters hold up only because countless repairs are done every single year, and the structure gets many new parts. Steel coasters need constant inspection, corrosion prevention, and preventative maintenance. If a section does need repair, it can cost a fortune, that's why I said a premium flagship coaster like batman, raging bull, or v2 justify the cost of repairs, even though it can easily cost more than the original purchase price.
SIx Flags nor any other amusement park will ever spend more than a rides original purchase price to refurbish a ride. At that point it just doesn't make any sense at all no matter how you look at it. It's more cost effective to tear it out and install a new ride and then actually make $$ with it. No one in the GP really gives a flying Fish if batman gets 1000 feet of new identical track. But a new coaster will draw in crowds.
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Maintenance costs should already be factored in, so it is usually not one or the other.... Also if you replace batman the ride with some random coaster, let's say t2 as an example... You think you'll draw more customers?? A sure fire classic with high ridership is always a safe thing to save.
Also if you think "we can get a better ride for the same money now" it would probably cost three times what it did to build brt back in 92 if you built it from scratch, so forget getting an insane upgrade for the same money, it just isn't happening.
If your argument was sound, then superman ultimate flight would have more ridership than bull and batman combined.... And tdk would have higher ridership than bull or suf. New coasters are a huge gamble, as tkd and Deja vu have shown. Just how long do you think tdk will be popular? I say three more seasons, tops.
Basically to re track batman would cost about the same as the the original purchase price (less in batmans case since there were so many clones made). To tear it down and replace it with a new ride? At least twice as much for a less exotic ride. I'd wager there were multiple years gam spent more to repair whizzer than it originally cost, and likely the same for demon.
^Well, Raging Bull will always have more ridership than Superman due to awful capacity. Both rides are equally as popular and always have a packed queue during the summer.
FParker185 wrote:SIx Flags nor any other amusement park will ever spend more than a rides original purchase price to refurbish a ride. At that point it just doesn't make any sense at all no matter how you look at it. It's more cost effective to tear it out and install a new ride and then actually make $$ with it. No one in the GP really gives a flying Fish if batman gets 1000 feet of new identical track. But a new coaster will draw in crowds.
Disney did with Space Mountain in California, the new ride has the same layout as the old one. But they marketed that very well and of course saw quite the attendance boost .
monsterfan99 wrote:^Well, Raging Bull will always have more ridership than Superman due to awful capacity. Both rides are equally as popular and always have a packed queue during the summer.
^ 3 trains VS 2 trains.... Midcourse block VS no block...36 seats VS 32 seats
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Space Mountain is a highly marketable feature attraction at Disney. SF really has no such ride. You dont have people over sea's saying, I'm going to go to SFGAm to ride Batman or Raging Bull.
Also if SF "refurbished" rides instead of tearing them out, then I(and many others) still have to deal with a bunch of you people complain and moaning incessantly about how we never get a new ride cause they went and spent the entire budget for 2-3 years on refurbishing some outdated ride.
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You do realize it costs a fortune to maintain and operate coasters, right? Bull is 11 seasons old, but it's a safe bet they already spent more on operating costs and maintenance than it's original cost. What about eagle? How much do you think it costs just to paint eagle.... Not to mention all the other maintenance like replacing boards and hardware, track and train work, station upkeep and brake work. Then there is the chain lifts, motors, electrical and control systems.
The point is they already spend a fair percentage of the original purchase price every year on a vintage coaster. Why do all that work to scrap it? Yes, everything has it's day and everything must end, but people do travel from Europe to six flags parks all the time, and it isn't for demon, whizzer, viper, or suf.... In many ways I agree that we hold on to coasters too long, but some we give up too soon. Look at shockwave as an example, many people agree that viper (slightly taller but slower paced shockwave) fives x2 a run for the money. Batman is a classic, a worlds first, and one of the best rides in the park. Iron wolf is the first b&m, to me those two rides and eagle should get the most life support (eagle was the biggest drop, tallest, fastest, and was one of the longest coasters when buit. It was a godly coaster, and it still holds almost all racing coaster records.
Any ride in the park can be replaced with a positive outcome, but if you replace bull batman wolf or eagle, it will cost you many times the original ride cost to get the same quality and draw from rides. Heck iron wolf needs the most tlc and I bet it still moved more people than deja vu, even though vu was new and a lot more expensive. And you know how much people complain about wolf!
to Six Flags, refurbishing a ride means getting the paint brushes out. Not a lot of them and some aren't even old rides but look at how long it took the chain to do something about X and texas Giant? Most likely another 3-6 years before another big make over like those.
Found this interesting, if you haven't joined, go join, because I want to know this "top secret".
OMG WE'RE STORING CHANG... So that it may be placed at a new Six Flags Property in 2011.
And they also elate to Wolfie not going anywhere. I think this means that new trains may be true, and that they won't remove it, because it is going to get the new trains.
They could easily mean it is just safe for 2010. And short lines (Short lines for a ride like Wolf) eventually kill any ride. I like how they think the secret is Chang. Like it is going to be announced 2 months before the 2010 season even begins. It is a 2011 attraction! And I am sure they would break the news on facebook...
They will break the news as to what will be the 2 new attractions in the County Fair games gallery as well as rock climb wall replacement.
^I really hope they dont remove wolfie without putting something else there immediately. I mean it's such a compact coaster in that area and you can pretty much see the whole back stage area. If that area was blank then it would just look bad to me.
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Guys, check out the Facebook page. I got many laughs yesterday, from how epicly messed up some of the questions are on there. "So when are you guys closing?" HAHAHAHAH.
But everyone at the SFKK online forum says that that isn't theirs... Something inside of me says that Great America still needs some money, and wants to get rid of it, without scrapping it.
Blunders: On the site it says HH is open early May to early September. But it opens MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND! Also, the park map should be updated by the time the season starts and it is still 2009 map online.
onyxhotel08 wrote:Blunders: On the site it says HH is open early May to early September. But it opens MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND! Also, the park map should be updated by the time the season starts and it is still 2009 map online.
The Map also shows an attraction from BBNP that is not longer there since the addition of Little Dipper.
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