What will be the next big roller coaster move?

[Jerrykoala2112]

Hey. Stand ups will always be bumpy. Unless they made stand up forms of the Carolina Cobra carts, which might be likely in the future. But some people are bringing good points the this discussion, and others are being rude. Doesn't make sense to be rude, only reason you probably are is to convince you are right. But that is not my case.

If we take out Iron Wolf, we wouldn't have much to put there. As the first B&M coaster and 3rd stand up coaster, 2nd oldest in US. I would hate to see it go. If you hate it soo much, just leave it alone. Only reason people want it to go is they want the park to be their own paradise. You see kids complaining about big coasters? No! But teens and adults are always whining when a old ride is bumpy. Or they want something they like. Why does Iron Wolf have to go because you hate it?

I always see people in line for it. Most of the time short lines, but always lines. Demon has shorter lines but you don't see them taking it out. Demon is a head shaking coaster but they aren't taking it out. Things don't match up.

And if we took out Iron Wolf, there is not any room for any other ride. Probably a flat ride which probably will be a family ride. Would you rather have a family ride or Iron Wolf? Families would want the family ride and older people would want Iron Wolf. Its only because people want the park they want it. There isn't that much room for anything there unless you want some small coaster which probably won't be no bigger then Iron Wolf.

Take all that into consideration.

[jbujwit10]

Why does Iron Wolf have to go because you hate it?

I always see people in line for it. Most of the time short lines, but always lines.

Hi Jerrykoala2112, you made some points, but one's in which I disagree w/. The reason Iron Wolf should be removed is because there are not a lot of people that enjoy. Yes, there are lines, but your exactly right, they are short, meaning that there are limited people that actually enjoy the ride, & that's just assuming that the people that go on it like it, b/c some go on it b/c their friends want to or they want to ride every ride.

Thus, it would be a great idea to get rid of Iron Wolf & add a more enjoyable ride, one which most people would enjoy.

[Jerrykoala2112]

Why does Iron Wolf have to go because you hate it?

I always see people in line for it. Most of the time short lines, but always lines.

Hi Jerrykoala2112, you made some points, but one's in which I disagree w/. The reason Iron Wolf should be removed is because there are not a lot of people that enjoy. Yes, there are lines, but your exactly right, they are short, meaning that there are limited people that actually enjoy the ride, & that's just assuming that the people that go on it like it, b/c some go on it b/c their friends want to or they want to ride every ride.

Thus, it would be a great idea to get rid of Iron Wolf & add a more enjoyable ride, one which most people would enjoy.

Iron Wolf also might have a short line because it might be a more higher capacity ride. I see a lot of times Batman is a walk on like Iron Wolf. I also see V2 as walk ons but I doubt V2 is a higher capacity coaster then Iron Wolf.

And what ride did you want in its' place?

[Goku1910]

V2's capacity is nothing in contrast to Iron Wolf and Batman.

[Jerrykoala2112]

V2's capacity is nothing in contrast to Iron Wolf and Batman.

It totally is. V2 80% of the time has a short line. Even though it only takes maybe 20 people on every 4 minutes, it is still a short line. Iron Wolf has I think 9 rows of 4, so that is already 36. With 2 carts is 72, and yet, the line is still the same. Same thing with Batman except they only have maybe 8 rows of 4.

[DejaVu2001]

^ Iron Wolf only has 7 rows, so thats 28 per train, 56 total.

[ebe2023]

i know i am new here but just wondering if my idea is possible? I really like the layout of Iron Wolf but i think the ride just being a stand-up coaster makes it uncomfortable in almost everyway possible. Now what about if Iron Wolf got a makeover and had cars where you actually sat down? (if that is possible)
Do you think that would be fun?

[FParker185]

Floorless cars on a standup coaster is entirely possible and is offered as evidenced by... nevermind

it is possible though, wont be happening to iron wolf anytime soon though. May improve IW, cant say for sure though seeing as it hasn't been done quite yet, I think in something related to this, IW may have a chance of picking up a somewhat new set of standup cars in the very near future if bankruptcy doesn't change Six Flags plans, also depends what sort of shape the cars are in I would think.

[[jonrev]]

I thought B&M designed the way their rides bank based on the position of the rider's heart (I know there's a better way to say that but I can't remember how). Wouldn't making the trains sit-downs change that and possibly make headbanging worse (same issue with Drachen Fire)?

[rct2wizard360]

Am I the only one that feels that S:UF should be getting the make-over?

I'm sorry but that queue is by far the most boring thing I've ever been through, same with the ride area in general. Especially with that type of coaster. Sure, Raging Bull may be plotted on almost the same exact type of terrain, but you aren't facing it the majority of the ride.

They could just throw the same Bizzaro theme as SFGAdv and SFNE. There's the Superman logos on the side of the station. They could spray paint over them with some x's and make-shift mirrored Bizzaro logos, so it would look like it was vandalized by him. Flame's at the bottom of the pretzel? Only thing I'd see a BIG issue with is paying for new flyer trains with on-board sound. Probably wouldn't be too pretty.

Honestly, what are you going to re-theme Bull to? Raging Moose? However, I like tp41190's idea of bringing in the ghost town that was in the original blue-prints.

Why are so many of you anti-wolf? Give me a break. There are SO many worse rides out there. What's the point of losing an okay coaster, and probably NOT getting one in its place?

[Jerrykoala2112]

I am so hating people who hate Wolf. But Superman is fine how it is. The queue is not that boring. It is actually better. All SFGAM queues are good except American Eagle. But it is not like you put a bunch of eagles everywhere.

Raging Bull was just re-painted so don't expect anything new from it except longer lines in the summer.

I would love to see IW getting rapainted.

The idea of floorless cars are not bad, but jonrev was right. B&M and Intamin and all coaster makes build coasters by the occupents heart. But it is a great idea!

It has happened before with the River King Mine Train (1960's mine ride) at Six Flags St Louis. They added stand up carts on it. But they took them out because they didn't work well. But I don't see how what wouldnt work with floorless.

Another problem would be the floorless station is way different the a stand up coaster station. The plat form is not big enough to put carts on....

[Coaster Justin]

To Make everyone happy:

1: Give Superman a Tunnel
2: Give Demon "Carolina Cobra" like Trains
3: Give Raging Bull onboard audio
4: Get New Trains for Iron Wolf (They look like Intamin Trains in my opinion)

And most importantly GET RID OF RAGIN CAJUN, IT IS USELESS WITH THE DARK KNIGHT COASTER ABOUT 100 YARDS AWAY!!!!!!!

[Jackluver18]

^ I agree on that of Ragin Cajun

[onyxhotel08]

will never happen...it is only 5 years old and what does it appeal to? It is pretty popular

[rct2wizard360]

I am so hating people who hate Wolf. But Superman is fine how it is. The queue is not that boring. It is actually better. All SFGAM queues are good except American Eagle. But it is not like you put a bunch of eagles everywhere.

I think Eagle has one of the better queues actually. You aren't left staring at grass, at least it sort of tunnels you in with some shade. Look around Manta's ride area and tell me that SUF has a good queue.

The idea of floorless cars are not bad, but jonrev was right. B&M and Intamin and all coaster makes build coasters by the occupents heart. But it is a great idea!

Okay honestly people, think of what you are saying. Adding floorless trains to Iron Wolf. That would be a pretty boring floorless. Taking away a perfectly good gimmick, for an extremely mediocre one. Most people already can feel "floorless" on Raging Bull. I honestly don't see why you'd wanna plop some seats without a floor onto Iron Wolf. Would it really thrill you that much more going through that layout sitting down?

To Make everyone happy:

1: Give Superman a Tunnel
2: Give Demon "Carolina Cobra" like Trains
3: Give Raging Bull onboard audio
4: Get New Trains for Iron Wolf (They look like Intamin Trains in my opinion)

And most importantly GET RID OF RAGIN CAJUN, IT IS USELESS WITH THE DARK KNIGHT COASTER ABOUT 100 YARDS AWAY!!!!!!!

What is up with you and these all superior executive decisions lately?
Cajun probably get's more ridership than TDK to be quite honest. That thing actually had a queue the last time I went, and I didn't even have to wait besides the preshow for TDK. Pretty bad idea if you ask me.

Just really think about what you guys are asking for when you say "Give IW floorless trains."
Because honestly, that would just make the ride worse.

[Goku1910]

it's all about the standing up!!^
yeah!

[DejaVu2001]

I think Eagle has one of the better queues actually. You aren't left staring at grass, at least it sort of tunnels you in with some shade. Look around Manta's ride area and tell me that SUF has a good queue.

The issue with Eagle's queue is the part after the bridge. Right after the stairs, its too wide and makes it too easy for people to go around you. There are extra queues after the queue goes under Blue side that confuse guests and also make linejumping too easy.

Cajun probably get's more ridership than TDK to be quite honest. That thing actually had a queue the last time I went, and I didn't even have to wait besides the preshow for TDK. Pretty bad idea if you ask me.

The Dark Knight coaster gets way higher ridership than Ragin' Cajun. TDK runs 10 cars while Ragin' Cajun has NEVER run more than 5 (even though it was designed for 8.) TDK also has its lift set faster than Cajun so the cars get back quicker. And on top of all that, TDK doesn't have the loading and unloading issues that Cajun has (cars coming back to the station backwards, and Cajun's issues with dispatching unbalanced cars).

[ebe2023]

Well i am happy with what we have at the park now and would not want to take away Iron Wolf (even after the heaqaches it causes.) People saying change SUF may have a good argument because personally i find the ride boring a little makeover may help. All i know is that a completely new coaster at the park would be great as long as it is not a wild mouse and themed to children. And for six flags making us wait this long for a good coaster it better be good.(when, or if it ever happens)

[FParker185]

Floorless cars are extremely tall, the riders heart line would be the same floorless or standup, it would actually be more exact as with the adjustable seats on standups, the riders heartline depends on the length of their legs. Shorter people will actually get a smoother ride on Wolf than taller people with their heads and bodies further away from the track.

Also from B&M's point of view, they have to support trains of which they only made 10 of themselves. Having a bunch of spare parts laying around to support a measly 10 trains isn't worth their time, though there are a (very) few parts that are interchangeable with the Intamin/Gio trains like what runs on Wolf of which there are around 6 running on their tracks.

[BP317]

Cajun probably get's more ridership than TDK to be quite honest. That thing actually had a queue the last time I went, and I didn't even have to wait besides the preshow for TDK. Pretty bad idea if you ask me.

Cajun always has a long line. The two things you can always count on having lines are Cajun and Rue Le Dodge. At Cajun the line mostly has to do with it getting like 250pph, whereas TDK gets like 800-1000pph.