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Postby SheiKra13 on August 20th, 2008, 1:02 pm
^That would work too.
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Postby saylorman47 on August 20th, 2008, 1:04 pm
The ride does look pretty sweet, but its kind of short. Do you think that SF would ever dare trying to theme this, even after TDK?
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Postby demonbulleagle on August 20th, 2008, 1:11 pm
The theming on TDK was actually pretty good I thought, but theming this would be pretty good.

Here is my idea for SF, HH expansion into the spot the that the Go-Carts are now, move them to the SSA site with a different track configuration, put the splashbattle in Vu's spot and this in the SWF site, I think that it would fit there.
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Postby Bob O on August 20th, 2008, 1:15 pm
I do have a family and im guessing that SF's marketing is meant for me and my family.
As for this new ride, it is a LOUSY addition that will have ride capacity issues and will not be operating often due to the weather conditions or be working far less than capacity when the weather is medicore which is often in this part of the country.

And while we dont do any vandalism in the park and clean up after our selves, I make sure we spend as little money as possible inside the park!!!! And this is due to the inept manner in which the park is operated!! Now because I love roller coasters we will visit the park as there are no close by options, but the only money the park will get is season pass money and little else. We eat almost no meals in the park and about all I pay for inside the park is a icee type drink for the kids with a refillable mug that we dont purchase but use for the cheaper refill price. Now if the park wants more of my familles money they need to go back to how the park was operated years ago,getr rid of all the adverstising/locker policies/flashpass scam etc.
And since this is not going to happen I will still visit and ride my favorite coasters but do little to help the companies bottom line, and look forward to visiting parks that are a more enjoyable experience where I will be happy to buy food/trinkets in the park!!
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Postby Binks Drake on August 20th, 2008, 2:49 pm
I love that first everyone was complaining that splash left. Now everyone is assuming that the new addition will be a splash battle (a water ride) and now everyone is complaining that It will never be open because of weather.

Ironic, no?
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Postby saylorman47 on August 20th, 2008, 3:08 pm
Bob O wrote:I do have a family and im guessing that SF's marketing is meant for me and my family.
As for this new ride, it is a LOUSY addition that will have ride capacity issues and will not be operating often due to the weather conditions or be working far less than capacity when the weather is medicore which is often in this part of the country.

And while we dont do any vandalism in the park and clean up after our selves, I make sure we spend as little money as possible inside the park!!!! And this is due to the inept manner in which the park is operated!! Now because I love roller coasters we will visit the park as there are no close by options, but the only money the park will get is season pass money and little else. We eat almost no meals in the park and about all I pay for inside the park is a icee type drink for the kids with a refillable mug that we dont purchase but use for the cheaper refill price. Now if the park wants more of my familles money they need to go back to how the park was operated years ago,getr rid of all the adverstising/locker policies/flashpass scam etc.
And since this is not going to happen I will still visit and ride my favorite coasters but do little to help the companies bottom line, and look forward to visiting parks that are a more enjoyable experience where I will be happy to buy food/trinkets in the park!!


I really don't get what you're talking about. By new ride, do you mean the Gerstlauer that we have been mentioning, or the spalsh battle? I see where your getting at with removing the advertising and flashpass, but what do you want for the park attraction wise? A kiddie area, or a coaster? What would make you want to spend money at the park? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm a little confused.
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Postby RBull4life on August 20th, 2008, 4:17 pm
Now if the park wants more of my familles money they need to go back to how the park was operated years ago,getr rid of all the adverstising/locker policies/flashpass scam etc.


So basically continue running the business in the red. Losing money every quarter. Falling deeper, and deeper into debt, without doing anything to stop it.

Six Flags is not forcing anybody to buy Flash Passes. How is that a scam? The locker policy, now that is a scam. I don't see them taking customers money, and then not giving them anything in return. If people want to buy the passes, well then more power to them. More money into the chain that desperatly needs it, plus Six Flags is not the only park that has a pay fast pass system. I believe Universal does to.

As far as the advertising goes, who really gives a rats a**. Does looking at Geico signs ruin the day for you? When I go to a ball, or hockey game, what do I see plastered all over? Advertising. Would going to U.S. Cellular, or The United Center, ruin the experience of the event because the stadium has an advertising name attached to it? Will you not give them a dime because of that?

It's not hard. THE SIX FLAGS CHAIN NEEDS MONEY!!!!! Anyway they can get it. If that means plastering commercials all over the place, well then so be it. Offering people the chance to pay to cut in line, so be it. It's business 101. When you are bleeding money, you find a way, any way, to stop it.

I have been a season pass holder for a long time. Now granted, my family and I don't eat many meals at the park, but we do support it in other ways buy purchasing a funnel cake every time we are there, which is at an average of around 15 times a year, not to mention drinks, pretzels, dippin dots, and maybe some games here and there. My family is the type of group that Shaprio is aiming for, but with out the season pass. Two kids ages 7 & 5, willing to spend money in the park, and wanting a fun experience for everybody, not just Dad who would just ride Raging Bull all day :D .

Now, as I said about the new attractions, it was a ride-op at Sky Trek tower. Granted, he is not the always well informed Dippin Dot guy, but still take it with a grain of salt.
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Postby RemoveShapiro,NotVu on August 20th, 2008, 5:03 pm
Eventually, you do need to add big roller coasters. What if Shapiro's tenure had begun in 1994? We'd have no Viper, RB, Vu, V2 or Superman. Do you think people would still be excited about riding Demon, ShockWave, and Iron Wolf?
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Postby coasterkidd100 on August 20th, 2008, 5:23 pm
^ That is a good point! If you don't add anything big and thrilling people are going to stop coming and there attendance will drop even more.
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Postby Jackluver18 on August 20th, 2008, 5:24 pm
Add something that everyone will like, not just a certain age group.
SF trips 09 = 15
SF trips 10= 11
SF trips 11 =7
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Postby Jackluver18 on August 20th, 2008, 8:59 pm
Anyways it would be good if we got something for all ages, that sounds good enough for me
SF trips 09 = 15
SF trips 10= 11
SF trips 11 =7
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Postby Bob O on August 20th, 2008, 9:32 pm
Well having just been to Cedar Point and recently having been to Holiday World I see very well run parks that dont kill you with advertising everywhere, heck at SFGAM you cant even go to the bathroom without being assaulted be PR.
And both parks do quite well without trying to scam guests out of money by using a flashpass system and dont have employee's wearing dumb neon shirts. And the whole park is open at rope drop.

When I visit a park I enjoy the whole experience, and that means beside the rides I enjoy taking in the scenery beside the rides. And at SFGAM they ruin that by playing idiotic music that doesnt mesh with the area and advertising EVERYWHERE, unless im to believe that GEICO was part of the southwest in year's gone by. And I dont compare going to a theme park to going to a sporting event and watching overpaid athletes. Seeing all the advertising in the park is bad, and the advertising on the TV's in the lines is even worse!!! How much money do you think wdw could get for putting up a sign on Cinderella's castle, or even Cedar Point on MF as examples???
If SF is going to do anything to whore themselves out for money I would perfer them to go bankrupt and have our park bought out by a company that knows how to operate

As for a new attraction, I have nothing against the park going for famliy attractionns(though I would perfer a dive coaster or a launched coaster). But the ride needed isnt a water ride that has low capacity and wont be in operation alot due to the weather we get in the midwest. And that is why I have advocated a indoor dark ride which can be high capacity and run no matter what the weather is outside. Its not suprising that the new indoor dark ride at wdw/dhs is drawing massive crowds and can be enjoyed by the whole family .Now while SF wont build one of that quality there is no reason we shouldne be able to get one similair to the one at HW or even comparable to the one at SF STL.
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Postby demonbulleagle on August 20th, 2008, 9:39 pm
The Coaster I saw would be able to fit inside a relatively small building, but it just cant be a big gray box, it needs to look like something, they should paint something like in the beginning of BTR, just black painted buildings would be nice.
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Postby Jackluver18 on August 20th, 2008, 9:55 pm
What they need to do in 2009 is get rid of the stupid advertising no one really truly cares.
SF trips 09 = 15
SF trips 10= 11
SF trips 11 =7
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Postby saylorman47 on August 20th, 2008, 10:04 pm
^ Yeah, I think the urinal advertising was enough!
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Postby SFaddiction84 on August 20th, 2008, 10:19 pm
Take a look around. There currently offering you tickets for $29.99! Seriously? I think shapiro has noticed he screwed up. He rose park admission, parking, and many other things and look what happened, it bit him in the butt and he realized o crud. Now on another note, We do need a new ride. We could also use some updated themeing on all of our rides. If he is not gonna spend money on new rides, he needs to add more themeing and maybe return some things he removed, like the fountain he took out to add a games stand. The park needs a new look, maybe new paint on its buildings, updated theme-ing and much much more.
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Postby RBull4life on August 20th, 2008, 11:05 pm
I don't want to go any more off topic, but I will say this. Please, oh God please, if anybody were to buy Great America, don't let it be Cedar Fair. If you thought the theming was going bad now...jeeez. :roll:
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Postby tp41190 on August 21st, 2008, 12:00 am
New BIG coaster = instant attendance spike
New family area = a slower raise in attendance
New family ride = a short amount of attendance but eventually fades away because of the thrill seekers
Great Atmosphere = not a instant attendance raise. But a slow and constant attendance raise due by word of mouth and re-visits.
Great Value = More re-visits and in return a raise in attendance at a constant pace.

It is impossible to get all those in one year. And so far our cycle has been the first 3 mentioned. Now if you only keep those 3 and not do anything about the other 3 then you will get into trouble. Families will go, spend the hundreds of dollars but if there is no value or anything else to make them want to come back then there will be no re-visit. And even if we don't get a new BIG coaster they can still give us the "value" and the "atmosphere" and that will encourage re-visits. But no, there focus has been "FAMILIES" and not much else. Well soon enough adding more family attractions will not work alone without the value/atmosphere.

I would rather see the value and atmosphere before we get any new BIG coaster. But they have to do something or else they are going to be deeper and deeper into debt. They cant get out of debt by doing what there doing, and living off of a visit every 2 year families.
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Postby Coastermonkey61 on August 21st, 2008, 1:24 am
Jackluver18 wrote:What they need to do in 2009 is get rid of the stupid advertising no one really truly cares.


That is where most of the profit comes from. You will not see advertising dwindle as long as Six Flags is in a nosedive.
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Postby RBull4life on August 21st, 2008, 8:27 am
^ THANK YOU!!!!

Finally somebody gets the big picture.

What sort of high thrill ride would fit in SSA spot?
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Postby BP317 on August 21st, 2008, 8:39 am
You will not see advertising dwindle as long as Six Flags is in a nosedive.

If SF is making significant money out of it they wouldnt dwindle it regardless of weather they're in a nosedive or not.
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Postby jm2775 on August 21st, 2008, 9:15 am
Coastermonkey61 wrote:
Jackluver18 wrote:What they need to do in 2009 is get rid of the stupid advertising no one really truly cares.


That is where most of the profit comes from. You will not see advertising dwindle as long as Six Flags is in a nosedive.


Exactly...why do some people let the ads bother them? I don't like seeing the big banners on Viper, or signs throughout the Eagle's or other line telling me about Geico, but I just IGNORE it.

Not that hard to do. I'd rather they advertise and keep the season pass price where it is and do well, then not advertise and go under. Have you seen any Geauga Lake pictures recently? This park was open LAST year. Now is just a memory.
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Postby Jackluver18 on August 21st, 2008, 9:45 am
Well ok let me rephrase what I said, get rid of the advertising in the bathrooms. I don't feel like staring at an advertisment while in there thank you.
SF trips 09 = 15
SF trips 10= 11
SF trips 11 =7
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Postby Coastermonkey61 on August 21st, 2008, 11:01 am
If you wanna hear something strange, studies have shown that advertisements over the urinals are the best way to get to a guy. Guys don't wanna be looking around while standing there, we look straight ahead. Might as well give us something to read while we're there. It's why you seem them at almost every sporting event.
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Postby kumba830 on August 21st, 2008, 11:27 am
guess what! a Gerstler launch would work! I went on Google maps .. and I used the key on the side to estimate the size of the area Space Shuttle America takes up. I't takes up about 200'L- 120'W

Model LC "Custom" LC "Compact"
Width ... ~ -460 ft ... ~ - 160 ft
Depth ... ~ -197 ft ... ~ - 115 ft
Height ... ~ -59 ft ... ~ - 49 ft


See that we could fit one of the custom models in there!

BUT-With the water park becoming a separate gate attraction ... I think they have other plans!
(not sure about the separate gate thing yet... AKA: probably a false alarm)
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