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Postby Viper 06 on June 7th, 2007, 10:58 pm
Bob O wrote:Its great that Batman is getting new restraints, but WHY wasnt that done in the off-season which is very long, or when the park is closed.


Now I don't ususally agree with Bob O., But i do agree on this one. Now, before any of you who work at the park attack me, I'm sure that maintenance had a good reason for not doing it in the offseason, they have a terrible budget, not enough staff (just like rides) and reduced numbers even more in the off-season, but for the second most popular ride in the park, something that's going to take more then a day or two should have been done when the park is closed.

Now for some other points...

Trust me when I say Eagle is only running one side for a reason...
Giant Drop was closed today because of wind.
And Bull is in two trains for staffing, which, as has been stated may times already always sucks this time of year...things will get better folks!

As for that Statement TK. I couldn't have said it better myself, the park is doing the best they can staffing wise right now, give it time.

And before people start jumpin on how many rides were closed today (because I was in the park today they were frequent) most of them were closed becasue of weather, not rain, but the huge 45 mph gusts. Just clearing that up in advance.
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Postby Suf03sfgam on June 8th, 2007, 12:05 am
The restraints on Batman need to be replaced due to a memo sent from B&M! Now onto to Mr. Bob O, Until you have worked in the park in maintenance you have no right to say 6 months is plenty of time. I bet if you were to work with that crew for a week you would quit! You also need to remember that they are the best in the chain! They do things that are impossible in little amounts of time. They work 80+ hours a week in spring to get the majority of rides open for you to enjoy. So I am speaking for them when I say GET OFF THEIR NUTS!!!
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Postby EagleFan344 on June 8th, 2007, 12:50 am
^I think you need to get off everybody elses nuts. Quit telling people to go work at the park and go get a damn job yourself so your not posting as much.
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Postby guitarhero119 on June 8th, 2007, 8:55 am
EagleFan344 wrote:^I think you need to get off everybody elses nuts. Quit telling people to go work at the park and go get a damn job yourself so your not posting as much.


what are you doing but complaining?


The maintanance crew is one of the best crews around. They have every ride operational in the park. The rides may not be up to full capacity, but they all work, and isnt that better than not being to ride something at all? I think TK put it best when he said its all about staffing. I believe that more than a few schools get out next week, so I would expect to see better preformance soon.
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Postby EagleFan344 on June 8th, 2007, 12:49 pm
Why do they always have staffing issues?? Is it that hard to find people that arent in High School?? The park has been open for over a month and they still have staffing issues.
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Postby guitarhero119 on June 8th, 2007, 1:48 pm
They have a staff set and they dont want to hire extra people for the shift. Obviously you want them to hire non highschoolers for three weeks and then fire them when the high schoolers they have are available. not very practical. I have heard that they are no longer hiring for the morning shift in the rides department so just be patient.
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Postby CoasterDave316 on June 8th, 2007, 11:24 pm
Alright I have had to delete a few posts to keep this topic from getting locked. You are all free to disagree with each other, and argue your point, of course, but please do not make personal attacks on one another. There is no reason for it. Please act civilized. This applys to the moderators too!
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Postby Bob O on June 8th, 2007, 11:44 pm
I wouldnt get on anyone's nuts, so I dont know where that statement comes from.

Ive never said that the maintence people dont work hard or do a good job, but jobs that should be done in the off season or when the park is closed shound be done then, if there isnt a big enough maintence staff then that is ANOTHER managment failing which is the norm for SF and explains there debt problems. Hire more maintence people if more are needed in the offseason so the park opens with all rides running at full speed. If I wanted to do maintence work i would do so and have no problem at all with there work hours, working long hours is the norm in the job i have so that wouldnt be a problem in the least.

As for being short of workers, hire more non-teenage kids to run the rides and work in the parks, where is it stated that you have to hire teenagers to operate rides?? Ive been to year-round parks that arent staffed mostly by kids like wdw/Universal, and ive been to seasonal parks like Dollywood/BGE that have most rides run by non-teenagers. Hire adults and there is no need to fire them just to hire teenagers.
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Postby FParker185 on June 9th, 2007, 12:00 am
I agree with the whole off season maint. thing, I remember back in the time warner days when opening day rolled around, everything in the park looked brand new, all new upholstery, trains clean and painted (ditto for the harnesses) midway spotless patched and sealed, and no gaping holes in ride stations, the park has most definitely gotten their act together in the time since opening day this year, but really the park should look like it does now on opening day. I can see not having the full compliment of trains not ready on opening day (though TW always did) but by the middle/end of may everything should be ready to rock.

I know SF is up to their eyeballs in debt but they have to get that under control, as people who visit very early in the season have the full season weather to decide if they want to visit again or not, and with the park in the shape it was this past opening day, I know if I paid $50+ to get in I probably would not make a repeat visit.

I was at SFKK opening day and they were pretty well ready to go, much more so than SFGAm. T2 was closed cause of Deluge construction and other stuff was closed due to the weather (snow and wind) but everything looked nice, rides were running well and whatnot, and if SFKK can do it, I know SFGAm can also.
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Postby T.K. on June 9th, 2007, 7:33 am
From this weekand and now on, SFGAm shouldn't have any problem with staffing, because this weekand many HS end school. Like never before, SFGAm is trying really hard to have all rides up and running, and they don't put hands down on DejaVu as well, as soon as they are done with brakes, or have extras, they cross train people on DejaVu to have it open as soon as possible. (Yesterday and 2 days before). SFGAm is a huge park, employees 2,500 ppy. And I have seen an increase in employees of range 30-35. I know its hard to see, or hard to believe but SFGAm is extremly trying to have all rides open, I know an employee who Open Closed all 5 days so far.
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Postby zjohn1988 on June 9th, 2007, 9:01 am
^I've done that 10 days in a row so far............

Hopefully you're right about staffing issues TK
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Postby Bob O on June 10th, 2007, 12:02 am
I was at the park on 6/9/07 and every thing was running well, execpt one thing. I though the ride-ops did a very good job and the park was clean, and even DeJaVu was up and running, now it didint open when the park did, but it did operate though I didnt ride it.
My one complaint was BTR, The ride again was on 1 train operation which made for a awful/slow moving line. If the ride is only going to run 1 train, then the park should at least post a sign in front of the ride alerting guests to the fact it is running at half capacity and then dont allow qbot people on the ride so they can pass up people who have been waiting a long time.

But other than that everything else was running welll and the employee's were doing a excellant job for what I could see.
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Postby Cs6153 on June 10th, 2007, 6:29 am
Don't forget the GM gets less bonus each day rides are down or not operating or of they are not running the max number of trains.

If the GM cannot do his job right and attendance continues to slip becuase of it believe me he will be out the door. That goes too for people whose departments are otn doing well either and it causes havoc. And they will get someone more suited for the job
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Postby zjohn1988 on June 10th, 2007, 9:26 pm
^Thats why sfgam has had so many GM's
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Postby Chitown on June 10th, 2007, 11:40 pm
^That is not the reason why for so many GM's recently.

Jim Windrobe retired after years of being SFGAm's GM. He was very Marriott era minded.

Tim Black came in from SFGAdv as GM but a year later accepted a position with Great Wolf lodge company.

Ron Severt took the place of Tim. Ron came from I believe SFNE. When Shapiro came aboard and started firing and shuffling people around, he transferred Ron to SFGAdv (previous GM was fired at that park).

After Ron Severt, Salemi (I think that is his last name), was transferred from SFSTl.

All of these many GM's within a short period of time at SFGAm had nothing to do with poor work ethic or not getting the job done.
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Postby Viper 06 on June 10th, 2007, 11:53 pm
Hank Selami Is the current gm.
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Postby FParker185 on June 10th, 2007, 11:56 pm
actually, that is probably why the park is in kinda shabby shape with all these GM's, each time a new GM comes in they will rightfully want to enact their own plan of where the park should go, so every time someone new marches in all the plans change and stuff doesn't get done, though I don't care for the current GM (I honestly couldn't even tell you what he looked like, unlike Black and Sevart which were out and in the park most of every day), would be nice to see him go, but at the same time would be nice to have one person in charge for a significant period of time so stuff settles down, especially with the SF management change which give alot of power back to park GM's rather than GM's merely being corporate puppets and figureheads.
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Postby themanoftheland8 on June 11th, 2007, 12:07 am
Just as a quick update, I was at the park today, and everything (as far as i know) was full capacity. Batman had 2 trains again, Deja Vu was running EXCELLENT, (I was told there were 0 downtimes), Raging Bull had 3 trains. The only thing I can think of that possibly could have been improved is Demon only had 2 trains as opposed to 3, and that was totally unnecessary, seeing as it was a station wait for most of the day.

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Postby Chitown on June 11th, 2007, 12:47 am
I personally don't see the need for Demon to run 3 trains even on crowded days. It's just to short of a ride to warrant 3. Even the best ops will stack continuously with 3.

When Cedar Point operates 3 trains on Corkscrew, it stacks everytime.
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Postby EagleFan344 on June 11th, 2007, 1:08 am
^Yeah, I remember during FF '05 they would just stack the whole time. But I suppose having 3 must help a little since they bother doing it.
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Postby zjohn1988 on June 11th, 2007, 7:33 am
Chitown wrote:^That is not the reason why for so many GM's recently.

Jim Windrobe retired after years of being SFGAm's GM. He was very Marriott era minded.

Tim Black came in from SFGAdv as GM but a year later accepted a position with Great Wolf lodge company.

Ron Severt took the place of Tim. Ron came from I believe SFNE. When Shapiro came aboard and started firing and shuffling people around, he transferred Ron to SFGAdv (previous GM was fired at that park).

After Ron Severt, Salemi (I think that is his last name), was transferred from SFSTl.

All of these many GM's within a short period of time at SFGAm had nothing to do with poor work ethic or not getting the job done.



Oh...but even so, there has to be a reason why they transferred. If they enjoyed sfgam, they wouldnt accept offers to switch (if they had a choice.)
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Postby FParker185 on June 11th, 2007, 3:47 pm
they werent given a choice, Sevart quit SF because of it
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Postby cycamps on June 11th, 2007, 7:05 pm
That would be neat.
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