Superman: Ultimate Flight

[rct2wizard360]

Superman was designed to go into the Whizzer area. Keeping the landscaping that Whizzer has Superman would have been great there.

Most of the tree's would have been taken out anyways. It wouldn't be much better.

[[jonrev]]

I'm so mad at those retards who complained..

Do not call me a retard. Six Flags kept Whizzer because if they did remove it, they'd get soooooo much hate mail.

[Mr. SFGAm]

Ragin' Cajun is the most underated.

I couldn't agree more!! I'd take RC anyday over other rides in the park... such as Iron Wolf, Deja Vu, American Eagle, and Demon.

Most of the tree's would have been taken out anyways. It wouldn't be much better.

Exactly. I'd bet that if Whizzer had been taken out, Six Flags would have cleared out the site, and filled the pond in to allow for easier construction. Had SUF gone there, the ride's landscaping would most likely be no different than it is now.

Besides, Six Flags did the right thing... they kept the popular ride, and replaced the not so popular ride with a ride that the GP just loves.

[coasterfan71555]

Regarding the placement of SUF: I personally believe that they were NEVER really planning on removing Whizzer. ShockWave never operated after the first weekend in August 2002. The Whizzer thing was just a PR stunt to gauge how the public felt about it. SUF was planned for ShockWave's site all along.

[Binks Drake]

Wow a newbie who's right! I never though they existed! Warm welcome to the forum.

[slydoc]

I wonder if those who aren't happy with Shock being replaced by SUF would have been happier if SF had gone to a looper (like Kumba/Dragon Khan) or a floorless (like SKrypton). All of which came out before SUF and all of which are also Beemers and very smooth. (Of course it should also be pointed out that all three of those coasters are also considerably larger than SUF.) It seems like one of the biggest complaints among those who want Shockwave back is that SUF isn't thrilling enough (doesn't have enough inversions) and one of the biggest complaints of those who didn't like Shock (especially the GP) is that it wasn't smooth enough. A lot of people seem to think B&M produce some of the smoothest coasters so it made sense to go with B&M if smothness is a prime criteria for a new coaster, in my opinion. Also, at the time that SUF was built flying coasters were one of the primary hot new coaster types. Thus, we have a flying coaster from B&M. In hindsight, perhaps it's never the greatest move to replace a park's coaster with the most inversions with a coaster that has less than 1/3 inversions? I like Sups for the ride that it is a smooth ride that gives you the experience of riding in a different position, as opposed to disliking for the coaster it replaced. That said, I also would love to see a coaster with more elements. Having 8 parks with more inversions than we do just isn't good enough, especially when SFGAm has more or the same number of coasters as all but two of those 8. (Although we are better than CP who trails 13 parks in the inversion count.) So would I have replaced Shock with SUF if it was my choice, probably not, although I might have replaced it with something else. But does that mean that I can't enjoy SUF for what it does offer? I do enjoy SUF for its own qualities, qualities that Shock couldn't have replaced if Shock had replaced SUF.

[msoeagle]

I am so MAD that they didn't put SUF in Whizzer's spot. That was a huge mistake. I'm so mad at those retards who complained. Just think we would have a much better park. I always loved coming to Great America and seeing Shochwave right by the parking lot. Superman is way smaller and it don't look as cool. And superman would be a much better ride if it was in Whizzer's spot.

I think that the next flying coaster should be like this. 135 foot drop and then go right into a larger pretzel loop. Then have a zero g roll. Then have a turn around and go into a inside verticle loop like on the vekoma flyiers. Then it should have a mid course break so it could have 3 trains. going. Then it should swoop down and have interlocking corkscrews. I don't know if that is possible if your on the outside but if it is then they should do it, and if it isn't possible then they should have you on the inside. That would be an awesome coaster.

Hey has anyone noticed that on RCDB it shows that all 3 different Superman Ultimate Flight clones have different statistics. I quess that our SUF is the longest but has the slowest loading. I don't know if that is true. Weird.

Superman can have 3 trains going but sfgam doesnt want to.

[twixmix0303]

The problem with three trains is that there is only room for one train behind the station (I believe). If there was a 2-train stack, the last train would be parked on the service brakes before the final turnaround, probably not the best place to stop. A ride as small as S:UF doesn't really need three trains. Besides, it stacks most of the time as it is, a third train would only make it worse.

[kahmooza]

I can't believe Gam's is the longest version. The other ones must be even more boring.

[twixmix0303]

The one at SFOG is better. It has a tunnel.

[[jonrev]]

I heard it has better theming too.

[slydoc]

In the underated area. I'm sort of suprised no one has mentioned Batman. On the national level I've heard a lot of people say they don't like Batman because it's a clone. Personally, I love Batman and I think there may be more people who have only ridden Batman much at one park who give it low scores because it is a clone than those who have ridden it a lot at more than one park. If you only ride a ride at one park, why does it matter if it's a clone or not? I'd love for X to be a clone and I'd love it even more if SFGAm had one of the copies so I could ride it regularly

[msoeagle]

I was day dreaming during english today and had the greatest idea, if sfgam gets rid of whizzer they should move suf to its spot then build a new floorless in suf old spot and the new floorless would have the exact same layout as shockwave. What do you guys think?

[mschulz5]

1. They will not get rid of whizzer.
2. They will not move a non-movable coaster from one spot to another.
3. Why would they copy a design of a former ride in the park that nobody wanted to ride? I would rather see a brand new design than one I've seen before. Besides, it could be patented or something like that. Don't quote me on that though.

[FRD714]

Good idea. I think sfgam's next new coaster will be floorless anyway.

[Coaster Alex0805]

Well SW is long gone and its not ever ever coming back! There will also be no more Coasters built the same Blue Print as SW! People who say Superman was a mistake is wrong! Look at the rides line! Always full! Thats what they want, im sure people were mad when they decided to close SW insted but it was broken and they didn't fix it, so that should have given everyone an idea that it was going! Whizzer is probley one the most hated/ignored rides by the Teenagers! I know that I was werid this summer when I got a season pass I decieded I wouldnt ride the whizzzer the whole season because I wanted them to take it out, well I came to my scencesess and stopet that, Whizzer wont be going anywere for atleast five years or more! It still works and familys love it! If it brecks down really bad and the park says its not worth replacing *like they did with SW* then maybe. I dont wanna hear oh whizzer is leaving and so is Spaceship blah blah blah! If GAM was getting a new coaster for 06 it would have already been annonced look at the trend with the other parks!!! As for 06 we all know Tornado and scence people are wondering why they havent annonced it my guess is that we might be getting somthing from AstrowWorld Land whatever its called. Just wait! We have waited this long im sure we can all wait longer

[FRD714]

^ i totally agree with you coaster alex0805.

[msoeagle]

1. They will not get rid of whizzer.
2. They will not move a non-movable coaster from one spot to another.
3. Why would they copy a design of a former ride in the park that nobody wanted to ride? I would rather see a brand new design than one I've seen before. Besides, it could be patented or something like that. Don't quote me on that though.

Hmmm?? A 30 year old coaster. Its going to go somewhere soon. Theres a 10 page thred about this so obviously theres some speculation. And people did want to ride shockwave except it was to bumpy and if its smooth and floorless people will want to ride it. And how is suf a non movable coaster?

[msoeagle]

Yes they will get rid of whizzer next time they put in a coaster. Where else would they put it. And suf is movable.

[zjohn1988]

I doubt they would move SUF to another spot in the park, it would confuse the guests years later who have visited the park more than once since suf opened.

[Coaster Alex0805]

wow um wow they would never more a coaster to another end of the park!! Wow

[msoeagle]

Would a big floorless fit in whizzers spot? Sorry for the double post again. Werent they thinking about rebuilding shockwave around the park somewhere?

[Trailblazer Tony]

^That would definitely be a no!

[coasterfan71555]

To remove Whizzer would be a HUGE mistake, and here are my reasons. Number 1: It is the last of its kind. Number 2: It is the park's only large "family" coaster. Number 3: The trees on its site have grown in nicely and a ride on Whizzer is like no other at Great America for this reason alone. Number 4: It is a LOT of fun to ride. There are plenty of places where new rides could be placed. How about removing the Demon? It is a 1 1/2 minute ride that takes up way too much space. How about removing Yankee Clipper (oops, Ice Mountain Splash) and taking over that space and the space occupied by the nearly never-used Wilderness Theater? How about removing the shuttle simulator and the go-kart track? (But that will likely be future Hurricane Harbor expansion.) There is also space behind Theatre Royale that could accomodate a new coaster. I don't care for Superman because for me, it is uncomfortable to ride. I predict that it won't be long before the novelty wears off and Superman's ridership will decline like ShockWave's did.

[Trailblazer Tony]

^I agree with EVERYTHING you have just said. Just read my signature for a further comment on the Whizzer.