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Postby gottastrata33 on August 3rd, 2018, 12:49 am
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JaminOut wrote:Let’s dive into some of the details:
- They are calling this the “Road to Glory”
- In the video behind the R2G graphic, there is something black spinning. Maybe a tire or a record?
- The man is wearing a checkered swimsuit with a red accent (racing? cars?)
- SPF 1000 (1000 feet long? 1000 meters long?)
- There are four women (Four person racer? Four times 1000... 4000ft long?)
- “Good luck up there” (signifying height in general?)

First guess with details from the video:
I think we may see an attraction themed to racing. What kind of racing? Well, a race for the sky. I’m going to go two different routes with this...

1) This is a water park addition. Based off of where they were in the video, the seemed to be by the lounge chairs on the southeast side of the riptide bay pool. This could be an entrance/exit area for the new addition. As for what the addition is, I envision a water coaster slightly taller than MASSIV as Schlitterbahn (Galveston). The length of MASSIV is 936 feet, I’m going to guess the water coaster would have a length of 1000 feet. They would use four person tubes like Wildebeest at Holiday World does. It would be loosely themed to racing.

2) This is a dry park addition. A roller coaster, that is. It’s a launched coaster themed to racing (super original), it features four inversions, and is 1000 meters long (3280 feet). It would also be one of the tallest rides in the park (maybe the tallest? Still waiting for a Village board meeting agenda with Six Flags to pop up).


I agree with you for the most part when it comes to your coaster prediction. My guess is a Premier Rides launched coaster called Maxx Force. I have a different opinion on the whole height thing tho. Instead of being the tallest coaster in the park, it might have the record for tallest vertical loop of any coaster in North America, beating out Full Throttle.


Honestly, I would LOVE a full throttle design here. That loop still fascinates me & I actually enjoyed the ride a lot.
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Postby anewman35 on August 3rd, 2018, 7:07 am
Something to keep in mind for anybody who hopes there's something super tall happening: anything over 200 feet has to be approved by the Gurnee Planning and Zoning board, and the only meeting they have before the announcement is August 15th. So watch the park for public hearing signs, or watch this webpage, and if nothing happens know we're not breaking 200... http://www.gurnee.il.us/government/plan ... tes-videos
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Postby ilrider on August 3rd, 2018, 8:23 am
^They put a sign about the upcoming meeting outside the park too. I saw it outside the Washington St. entrance before Goliath was announced. I did not notice one Monday when we drove by there.
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Postby Goku1910 on August 3rd, 2018, 8:27 am
ilrider wrote:^They put a sign about the upcoming meeting outside the park too. I saw it outside the Washington St. entrance before Goliath was announced. I did not notice one Monday when we drove by there.

Really? Got a picture of it? That changes things.... Big time. I'm not sure if you're referring to one you saw in 2013 before Goliath or if you have actually seen one recently.
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Postby gottastrata33 on August 3rd, 2018, 9:12 am
I think they’re referring to 2013.
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Postby ilrider on August 3rd, 2018, 10:09 am
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ilrider wrote:^They put a sign about the upcoming meeting outside the park too. I saw it outside the Washington St. entrance before Goliath was announced. I did not notice one Monday when we drove by there.

Really? Got a picture of it? That changes things.... Big time. I'm not sure if you're referring to one you saw in 2013 before Goliath or if you have actually seen one recently.


I was referring to the one I saw back in 2013. Sorry for any confusion. No, I do not have a photo of it, but I remember it clearly. It just announced the date of the meeting and made it clear the park would be involved. There is no sign there now that I am aware of, and I did not see one when we drove by on Washington this week, as I said. I was just adding on to the OP’s statement that any height variances would be addressed at the village meeting before the announcement.
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Postby Goku1910 on August 3rd, 2018, 10:11 am
.... Or after. Let's not forget that Goliath's meeting actually took place after it was announced.

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Postby ilrider on August 3rd, 2018, 10:20 am
Goku1910 wrote:.... Or after. Let's not forget that Goliath's meeting actually took place after it was announced.

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Okay. The sign was up before the announcement though, because I remember getting excited about it. That said, I am not expecting a hyper coaster of any kind. Still thinking coaster though.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on August 3rd, 2018, 1:23 pm
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SFGAM_Hog wrote:Would they really start teasers this early for a waterpark addition? The last time it was this early was for Goliath (correct me if I'm wrong) which was a big record breaker ;) the idea of the record shattering at the end of the teaser series is possible.
Even if the Water coaster was 1,000ft like it implies then it would break the record for longest water coaster so.....

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It wouldn't be the longest "water coaster", but it could be the longest Rocketblast water coaster. The one at Fiesta Texas is only 942 feet. This means with the 4 "saucers". They look at the 4 drop slide, slides. The Fiesta Texas saucers are black and white / like his trunks. That color up on top of the drop slide tower looks a lot like the Fiesta Texas slide - Thunder Rapids. Reading the Road to Glory thing at the beginning, I see 6 yellow lines. Could a water coaster have 6 uphills instead of the 5 that Fiesta Texas has with Thunder Rapids? You have to do something with another 58 feet - to 1000 feet. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Whatever.
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Postby anewman35 on August 3rd, 2018, 2:09 pm
Goku1910 wrote:.... Or after. Let's not forget that Goliath's meeting actually took place after it was announced.

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That's not actually correct, is it?

There was a Planning and Zoning Board meeting 8/21/13.
http://www.gurnee.il.us/government/plan ... s-videos/7

It doesn't have the agenda posted anymore, but the "New for 2014" thread has plenty of stuff from that meeting:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12658&start=1225

The ride was announced on August 29th:
http://investors.sixflags.com/news-and- ... 08-29-2013

I follow this stuff pretty closely, and I can't remember any time Great America has announced a ride before getting proper approval. I believe other Six Flags parks have (and then had to backtrack when it wasn't approved, I'm feel like they started construction on a version of The Dark Knight in New England and then had to tear it down?)

Edit: It's possible the actual Village Board meeting was afterwards. But the Zoning Board meeting, where we'd find out details, has always been before...
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Postby IssaCoaster on August 3rd, 2018, 2:46 pm
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Goku1910 wrote:.... Or after. Let's not forget that Goliath's meeting actually took place after it was announced.

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That's not actually correct, is it?

There was a Planning and Zoning Board meeting 8/21/13.
http://www.gurnee.il.us/government/plan ... s-videos/7

It doesn't have the agenda posted anymore, but the "New for 2014" thread has plenty of stuff from that meeting:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12658&start=1225

The ride was announced on August 29th:
http://investors.sixflags.com/news-and- ... 08-29-2013

I follow this stuff pretty closely, and I can't remember any time Great America has announced a ride before getting proper approval. I believe other Six Flags parks have (and then had to backtrack when it wasn't approved, I'm feel like they started construction on a version of The Dark Knight in New England and then had to tear it down?)

Edit: It's possible the actual Village Board meeting was afterwards. But the Zoning Board meeting, where we'd find out details, has always been before...

Even if it wasn't a 200ft tall attraction, I bet it can still be amazing
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Postby Dan The Coaster Man on August 3rd, 2018, 3:36 pm
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Postby _FuryBull_330_ on August 3rd, 2018, 3:46 pm
IssaCoaster wrote:
anewman35 wrote:
Goku1910 wrote:.... Or after. Let's not forget that Goliath's meeting actually took place after it was announced.

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That's not actually correct, is it?

There was a Planning and Zoning Board meeting 8/21/13.
http://www.gurnee.il.us/government/plan ... s-videos/7

It doesn't have the agenda posted anymore, but the "New for 2014" thread has plenty of stuff from that meeting:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12658&start=1225

The ride was announced on August 29th:
http://investors.sixflags.com/news-and- ... 08-29-2013

I follow this stuff pretty closely, and I can't remember any time Great America has announced a ride before getting proper approval. I believe other Six Flags parks have (and then had to backtrack when it wasn't approved, I'm feel like they started construction on a version of The Dark Knight in New England and then had to tear it down?)

Edit: It's possible the actual Village Board meeting was afterwards. But the Zoning Board meeting, where we'd find out details, has always been before...

Even if it wasn't a 200ft tall attraction, I bet it can still be amazing

Well there is some coasters that aren't tall but great rides. If this ride has good elements and a good layout I would bet this could be the best ride in the park.
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Postby RBullFan97 on August 3rd, 2018, 3:48 pm
Whatever it is, I do hope for a dry park addition. While a water coaster would be fun, and I would like to see us get one eventually, I feel like this is not the place to put it. It's been said before but I'll say it again, this is prime real estate for a new roller coaster in the dry park because the park is so landlocked. In the future if they want to add a coaster they're probably going to have to take another ride out. The water park can always be expanded a bit into the parking lot. Put the water coaster where the parking lot is right now, and to make up for lost space build a parking garage in the back.
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Postby anewman35 on August 3rd, 2018, 4:02 pm
RBullFan97 wrote:Whatever it is, I do hope for a dry park addition. While a water coaster would be fun, and I would like to see us get one eventually, I feel like this is not the place to put it. It's been said before but I'll say it again, this is prime real estate for a new roller coaster in the dry park because the park is so landlocked. In the future if they want to add a coaster they're probably going to have to take another ride out. The water park can always be expanded a bit into the parking lot. Put the water coaster where the parking lot is right now, and to make up for lost space build a parking garage in the back.


The thing is, even when they don't have to remove an old ride to fit a new ride, they often do (for example, it's really not hard to think of a bunch of places Mardi Gras Hangover could have gone that wouldn't have required removing anything). And the last few coasters removed were removed before they had to be, to go elsewhere. Point being, Six Flags has no real interest in really expanding the number of rides, because expanding the number of rides means more staffing and maintenance. So, yes, the park is a bit landlocked, but if they really had any desire to get a bunch more rides in there there are ways, they just don't care...
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Postby anewman35 on August 3rd, 2018, 4:09 pm
BTW, if they ever did want to expand the Dry Park (which I don't think they do), they could use the Parking Lot for that, too. Maybe not in as obvious a fashion as they could with the water park, but they could get creative (again, I don't expect that ever to actually happen)
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Postby JackGlass on August 3rd, 2018, 4:29 pm
anewman35 wrote:BTW, if they ever did want to expand the Dry Park (which I don't think they do), they could use the Parking Lot for that, too. Maybe not in as obvious a fashion as they could with the water park, but they could get creative (again, I don't expect that ever to actually happen)


They could possibly expand into the employee parking lot and the wooded area behind it, but it would be costly. They would have to purchase some more land in order to relocate the current employee parking lot.

I don't see that happening unless ownership of Six Flags changes. I remember when Apollo wanted to purchase Cedar Fair years ago. If soemthing like that happened, I coudl totally see it.
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Postby Goku1910 on August 3rd, 2018, 4:31 pm
^And they would have to relocate HR, Storage sheds, greenhouses, and training rooms. That is definitely not happening.
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Postby JackGlass on August 3rd, 2018, 4:49 pm
Goku1910 wrote:^And they would have to relocate HR, Storage sheds, greenhouses, and training rooms. That is definitely not happening.


Exactly! It would cost way too much and too much stuff would have to be relocated. Now that Pictorium is gone, the next attraction that will go is almost certainly Buccaneer Battle. I just never see a line for that thing and it seems like a waste of space.
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Postby Goku1910 on August 3rd, 2018, 4:53 pm
Buccaneer Battle was also expensive in terms of it's theming.... Which was well done for Six Flags standards at the time so I don't see it leaving so quickly but I sure hope that BB bites the dust with Demon at the same time. Imagine Demon+Sky Trail+Buccaneer Battle.

I know Demon is worthy of being saved but from a business standpoint its getting more and more difficult to keep that thing going.

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Postby JackGlass on August 3rd, 2018, 5:08 pm
It's sad with Buccaneer Battle. Because it's one of the best themed rides at the park, it just never has a line. That was back when Mark Shapiro was trying to make Six Flags more like Disney, and it didn't really work due to the radically different demographics that attend Disney parks and Six Flags parks.


Could they remove and relocate Bucaneer Battle to a different park, without destroying the ride itself? That track looks like its embedded in concrete
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Postby bearcub12 on August 3rd, 2018, 5:16 pm
anewman35 wrote:BTW, if they ever did want to expand the Dry Park (which I don't think they do), they could use the Parking Lot for that, too. Maybe not in as obvious a fashion as they could with the water park, but they could get creative (again, I don't expect that ever to actually happen)


I've long thought that it's overdue for them to push the entrance to the park back to that street in between the two parking lots (or at least close to it), and then make the back parking lot two or three parking garages. The only issue that instantly pops to mind is forcing people to cross the street that now has cars driving by, but there are ways around that.
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Postby JackGlass on August 3rd, 2018, 6:08 pm
bearcub12 wrote:
anewman35 wrote:BTW, if they ever did want to expand the Dry Park (which I don't think they do), they could use the Parking Lot for that, too. Maybe not in as obvious a fashion as they could with the water park, but they could get creative (again, I don't expect that ever to actually happen)


I've long thought that it's overdue for them to push the entrance to the park back to that street in between the two parking lots (or at least close to it), and then make the back parking lot two or three parking garages. The only issue that instantly pops to mind is forcing people to cross the street that now has cars driving by, but there are ways around that.


I would love to see them relocate Bizarro from Great Adventure and plop it in the bus parking lot. If it were ever to happen, they would probably have to get rid of the trees in between Superman and the parking lot and run the entrance through Carousel Plaza. Just day dreaming, lol
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Postby Goku1910 on August 3rd, 2018, 6:09 pm
Terrible idea. That's literally the most important part of the lot.
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Postby anewman35 on August 3rd, 2018, 6:14 pm
bearcub12 wrote:
anewman35 wrote:BTW, if they ever did want to expand the Dry Park (which I don't think they do), they could use the Parking Lot for that, too. Maybe not in as obvious a fashion as they could with the water park, but they could get creative (again, I don't expect that ever to actually happen)


I've long thought that it's overdue for them to push the entrance to the park back to that street in between the two parking lots (or at least close to it), and then make the back parking lot two or three parking garages. The only issue that instantly pops to mind is forcing people to cross the street that now has cars driving by, but there are ways around that.


The bigger issue is the vast amount of money it would take to fill in that new area (and the logistics of being able to do all that while still running the park for like 3/4 of the year...)
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