New Ride(s) for 2014

[PfightingPolish]

At this stage, my guess — and keep in mind, this is my first true, "This is what I think it's going to be" guess, because I'm not an insider, I don't personally know any insiders and all I can do is speculate based upon evidence posted here and what other coasters are out there (which is why I've been throwing out a lot of possibilities but never making a guess-guess-guess) — I'm going to guess we're getting an Intamin/RMC custom plug-and-play along the lines of El Toro.

The laser-cutting technique allows for quick, cheap construction, meaning the coaster can get put up pretty fast relative to when they're making the announcement.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Goliath will not only be the fastest wooden coaster but will also have the steepest drop, an underground tunnel element at the end of the first drop and at least one inversion in addition to several overbanked turns.

Unfortunately, due to the Texas Giant incident, I also look for it to have OTSRs ... but we can live with that.

Honestly, I think this is an absolutely kick-a** addition to the back of the park, which I'm kind of hoping will be ceded to Yukon Territory (as it logically should have been, when even Wolf was there). Look for another store to go up over there and, if the ride is successful, perhaps the conversion to/construction of a full, sit-down restaurant where the County Fair funnel cake house is right now to further liven up the area. If crowds do truly flock to this, I think they'd want to give them reason to stay and eat close to the ride rather than ambling over to Mooseburger or trekking all the way back to the County Fair Food Court.

Between this and X-Flight, the park should distribute people a little better now and hopefully won't accumulate as bad of lines for Bull and Superman. I'd been calling for a modern woodie for a while ... I love this.

[DejaVu2001]

Unfortunately, due to the Texas Giant incident, I also look for it to have OTSRs ... but we can live with that.

No. No we can't. New Texas Giant, Outlaw Run, and El Toro are all awesome rides, but I assure you if any of them had OTSRs, they would beat the everliving crap out of you.

[BBH]

I don't want to sound insensitive, but the woman involved in the Texas Giant incident looked rather large, large enough that she couldn't fit in the restraint. Will we see seat belts? Maybe. But OTSR's are definitely a no.

Hopefully the restraint-tightening on Outlaw Run is simply a temporary fix before they add seat belts or wait until the hype surrounding the accident dies down.

[JimPanky]

OTSRs would prolly hurt on a wooden coaster. We will see something out of the accident for sure though.

[redman822]

‪#‎Journey2014‬ Update:

1. Roller Coaster of 165 feet.
2. Will be placed at the former location of Iron Wolf in County Fair.
3. Wooden Coaster
4. Potential "Fastest Wooden Coaster"

At this point ANYTHING else other than these 4 points is pure speculation...

Stay Tuned.

I just looked at my Outlaw Run media kit - Outlaw Run at 162 feet tall is the fastest wood coaster 'on steel wheels' at 68mph. El Toro is faster, but they use nylon/urethane wheels...

[Turtle_Power]

After the Texas Giant incident Six Flags subsequently closed down Iron Rattler. They added seat belts to Iron Rattler so I could see them going that route with the new coaster. I do not see them using OTSR. People complained bad enough about Iron Wolf beating their heads around. This new coaster would be worse that that if it had OTSR.

[Maverick]

Looking back at the teaser videos I think they could be hinting a couple of things. The camera numbers for the second video go 45, 72, 85, and 24. Not sure what the 45 is, but the 72mph could be the top speed (I believe that would break the record), 85 degrees could be the max angle of the drop (would also break the record), 24 could be the number of cars per train. Also interesting is that there are three trophies in the shop with the eagle and RC cars (would match up with 3 world records). More of just a wild guess but I noticed that all the workers moving their time cards went from in to out. Could this suggest that the maintenance shed is going to make way for the new coaster?

In the second video all the admin cams give the date of the announcement (8 29 2013) but the first giant drop cam is 5 and so is the gate that David is standing next to. Seems like 5's mean something. Maybe we're looking at a coaster with 5 drops (or inversions!?). Any thoughts?

[coasterfanatic]

I was at the park yesterday and will have a full trip round up in that forum, plus a photo about Fright Fest. I rode the train yesterday to get a good look at the Iron Wolf spot, and I found nothing there. There were NO flags, no markings, NOTHING. The land was completely the way it was left after Iron Wolf was removed. Most of the original footers are still in place and even one support beam still exists. They have A LOT of work to do in that area. Weeds and tall grass have grown in the area so all that, along with trees and the footers need to be removed. In addition, in my opinion, there is less than a 5% chance that they re-use the station. It is just WAY TO SMALL! Remember that wooden coaster trains are usually LONGER than steel coaster trains so it's just way too small (and might be too high off the ground). So that will have to be removed along with the all queue lines and stuff. I expect work to be started once the officially announcement is made. If they keep the train operating at FF this year, this will be a good chance to see if they are doing anything to the land during FF. I would assume that they would have to start soon since XFlight's spot was cleared out pretty far in advance...

That is all I can tell you right now. They have done nothing. I know someone posted earlier in this forum about markings around IW and there are now. It looks like the land hasn't been touched since the ride was removed!

[Coaster Justin]

Looking back at the teaser videos I think they could be hinting a couple of things. The camera numbers for the second video go 45, 72, 85, and 24. Not sure what the 45 is, but the 72mph could be the top speed (I believe that would break the record), 85 degrees could be the max angle of the drop (would also break the record), 24 could be the number of cars per train.

I think for 24, you probably mean people rather than cars, and Outlaw Run had 24 people per train, but so do many other wooden coasters like American Thunder at StLouis which is a CGI.

24 could be the number of passengers per train? (12 cars with 2 across)
45 could be the number of seconds of airtime/ Number of Hills?

[GoBears]

Looking back at the teaser videos I think they could be hinting a couple of things. The camera numbers for the second video go 45, 72, 85, and 24. Not sure what the 45 is, but the 72mph could be the top speed (I believe that would break the record), 85 degrees could be the max angle of the drop (would also break the record), 24 could be the number of cars per train. Also interesting is that there are three trophies in the shop with the eagle and RC cars (would match up with 3 world records). More of just a wild guess but I noticed that all the workers moving their time cards went from in to out. Could this suggest that the maintenance shed is going to make way for the new coaster?

In the second video all the admin cams give the date of the announcement (8 29 2013) but the first giant drop cam is 5 and so is the gate that David is standing next to. Seems like 5's mean something. Maybe we're looking at a coaster with 5 drops (or inversions!?). Any thoughts?

I went back yesterday and watched the video and thought that the 85 could be the degree of the drop and the 24 was the passengers per train (like Outlaw Run) but I never thought about the 5 inversions. That would definitely be a world record right there for a wooden coaster which is currently held by Outlaw Run at 3. Showing American Eagle's train and trophies could be mean 3 world records. American Eagle currently holds 3 world records to this day by being the tallest, fastest, and longest wooden racing coaster in the world.

[scottydoesknow]

45 degree lift hill perhaps?

[BackwardsBlue]

45 degree lift hill perhaps?

I feel like we do not have the room for a 45 degree lift hill....

However even though it is confirmed I am stunned about having enough room to place this coaster. Even with the wilderness theater being taken out. That spot is so narrow.

[redman822]

Perhaps it will go towards Southwest Amphitheater instead of towards Wilderness Theater...

[SFGAm Viper]

45 degree lift hill perhaps?

I feel like we do not have the room for a 45 degree lift hill....

However even though it is confirmed I am stunned about having enough room to place this coaster. Even with the wilderness theater being taken out. That spot is so narrow.

Just wait a week and a half. You'll probably go "ohhhhhh" just like everyone else.

Not enough room for a 45 degree lift? Ooook. What's it gonna be? 90 degrees on a wood coaster?

[BackwardsBlue]

45 degree lift hill perhaps?

I feel like we do not have the room for a 45 degree lift hill....

However even though it is confirmed I am stunned about having enough room to place this coaster. Even with the wilderness theater being taken out. That spot is so narrow.

Just wait a week and a half. You'll probably go "ohhhhhh" just like everyone else.

Not enough room for a 45 degree lift? Ooook. What's it gonna be? 90 degrees on a wood coaster?[/quote


I understand we can not have a 90 degree lift... but looking at both Viper and American Eagle Viper is 100ft and Eagle is 147ft... Those are REALLY large lifts that is all I am stating.

Obviously I am going to go oooh when I see it. I am just saying to me this seems out of left field. I also want to know who leaked out the details. Especially since the Daily Herald is pretty much the only outlet that has reported.

[scottydoesknow]

As far as where this ride is going to go and the "narrowness" of the footprint, it would have to be an out-and-back. Having a steeper lift hill (IE 45 degrees) would free up a lot of room, too.

[Ilovthevu']

Looking back at the teaser videos I think they could be hinting a couple of things. The camera numbers for the second video go 45, 72, 85, and 24. Not sure what the 45 is, but the 72mph could be the top speed (I believe that would break the record), 85 degrees could be the max angle of the drop (would also break the record), 24 could be the number of cars per train.

I think for 24, you probably mean people rather than cars, and Outlaw Run had 24 people per train, but so do many other wooden coasters like American Thunder at StLouis which is a CGI.

24 could be the number of passengers per train? (12 cars with 2 across)
45 could be the number of seconds of airtime/ Number of Hills?

I call those (12) rows rather than cars, and what I call cars is for instance Demon has to me 6 cars per train, but to each their own.

[BackwardsBlue]

As far as where this ride is going to go and the "narrowness" of the footprint, it would have to be an out-and-back. Having a steeper lift hill (IE 45 degrees) would free up a lot of room, too.

Yup I know, a piece of me just wishes that it wasn't a wooden rollercoaster.

[BBH]

I understand we can not have a 90 degree lift... but looking at both Viper and American Eagle Viper is 100ft and Eagle is 147ft... Those are REALLY large lifts that is all I am stating.

Obviously I am going to go oooh when I see it. I am just saying to me this seems out of left field. I also want to know who leaked out the details. Especially since the Daily Herald is pretty much the only outlet that has reported.

Eagle is 127 feet.

Its lift is also nowhere near 45 degrees. Eagle's is approximately 25 degrees:



Compare that to El Toro, which has a lift angle of 40-50 degrees:

[scottydoesknow]

As far as where this ride is going to go and the "narrowness" of the footprint, it would have to be an out-and-back. Having a steeper lift hill (IE 45 degrees) would free up a lot of room, too.

Yup I know, a piece of me just wishes that it wasn't a wooden rollercoaster.

Have you ever ridden a wooden coaster with a pre-fabricated track? They are absolutely incredible.

[Turtle_Power]

Almost every park has to deal with space limitations. This coaster has been in the works since before Iron Wolf was dismantled. There is a plan in place and just because we don't see the signs yet or things do not make sense they will come together. B&M constantly works with constrained spaces and they always put out a fantastic product. I am sure the likes of RMC and GCI could also do the same. Also I haven't seen very many people throwing GG's name out. Just a thought.

[rizash]

You are being very very closed minded saying it must be out and back layout. With any wooden hybrid coaster you could do 50 or even 60 degree lift, or you can always turn before the first drop. They usually dont do crazy lifts like this on long train wooden coasters because weight makes you build a very powerful and expensive lift motor, chain and anti rollback system. Lift breakdown evacuation is also much more problematic, and rider comfort on a 60 degree lift 165ft up would be lacking. You usually see this on 3-5 car coasters (12-20 people) because you use less materials and space to make a shorter steeper lift. With a monster coaster and long train there is diminishing returns because of increased maint. costs and beefier more expensive components. As for the rest of shoe horning a wicked layout into that area... that is what gives a coaster designer inspiration, sometimes leading to epic rides that cant be duplicated. Anyone could copy btr and plop it down on a hunk of flat open land, very few people are so inspired to design a ride like the voyage or hades. Modern technology has changed so that we no longer need to resort to a simple out and back layout like eagle. Trust me with 90 degree banked turns, tunnels, and a few well placed elements you can do one wicked freeform twister in that space.

[Radical-Illusion]

All these people are bringing up that it wold have to go underground in order to make a world record for fastest. Well what if it also has the worlds longest underground tunnel beating out Hades 360? There is something that has to be going on at the southwest amphitheater. There are orange flags on one side of it and then behind it there are wooden stakes with pink spray paint on the ground. Either they will move camp cartoon to where the amphitheater is so they have more space to work with, or the only other option might be to have to ride go underground over to the amphitheater. (Yes, I am aware that it is a LONG way from wolf's former spot to the SWA, and is probably highly unlikely.) Either way, I am pretty excited, and hope that it has some sort of Outlaw Run in it.

[scottydoesknow]

You are being very very closed minded saying it must be out and back layout. With any wooden hybrid coaster you could do 50 or even 60 degree lift, or you can always turn before the first drop. They usually dont do crazy lifts like this on long train wooden coasters because weight makes you build a very powerful and expensive lift motor, chain and anti rollback system. Lift breakdown evacuation is also much more problematic, and rider comfort on a 60 degree lift 165ft up would be lacking. You usually see this on 3-5 car coasters (12-20 people) because you use less materials and space to make a shorter steeper lift. With a monster coaster and long train there is diminishing returns because of increased maint. costs and beefier more expensive components. As for the rest of shoe horning a wicked layout into that area... that is what gives a coaster designer inspiration, sometimes leading to epic rides that cant be duplicated. Anyone could copy btr and plop it down on a hunk of flat open land, very few people are so inspired to design a ride like the voyage or hades. Modern technology has changed so that we no longer need to resort to a simple out and back layout like eagle. Trust me with 90 degree banked turns, tunnels, and a few well placed elements you can do one wicked freeform twister in that space.

Voyage is an out-and-back.
I would be willing to bet money that it's an out-and-back. I will put my money where my mouth is, just name a price.

[kossdude1]

I hope if it has seatbelts, it has the type that retract back into that little holder like they have on Whizzer, East River Crawler, etc. I feel it'll be much more efficient and ride ops won't have to buckle the seatbelts on the empty seats like they do on American Eagle and Viper. Plus, I can't tell you how many times I've seen riders scattering looking for the other half of their seatbelt.