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Postby Galvan on May 19th, 2005, 7:10 pm
A Chicago Man is refused a Great America season pass because he is on the Registered Sex Offenders List.


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I applaud Six Flags for this, And i 100% support ANY legistlation or rule regaurding sex offenders and not allowing them in any public place where children can be attacked.
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Postby danieln84 on May 19th, 2005, 7:14 pm
^ Agree 100%. I mean yes, he may have changed. but with all those children around....Temtation rises. People want there kids to be safe and not have to worrry about it.
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Postby CoasterDave316 on May 19th, 2005, 7:15 pm
Wow, Mike you really put a spin on that article. It says he bought the pass but isn't sure if he can use it. No where on there does it say he was refused a pass.
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Postby SFGAmfan on May 19th, 2005, 7:15 pm
I completely agree with Six Flags. If I had kids, I wouldn't want them to be near any sex offenders and since Six Flags has so many kids that go there, I think it's only logical for this rule to be in affect.
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Postby diggerg56 on May 19th, 2005, 7:42 pm
The exact wording on the season pass is: "Six Flags reserves the right to deny admission and cancel this pass if the bearer violates park safety rules or if the bearer has been convicted of a crime of a type that could pose a threat to the safety of our guests, including without limitation, any sex crime, or if the bearer is required to be registered as a sex offender (or words of similar import) in any jurisdiction."

I must say that I agree with the principle of the thing. I'm not sure the ACLU will be thrilled with it though.
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Postby SFGAmfan on May 19th, 2005, 7:55 pm
Six Flags did say it was within their rights to do this so if the ACLU has a problem with it, they can't really do anything about it. I guess the criminals that have a problem with this new policy shouldn't have committed the crime without thinking "Hey, I wonder if there will be any concequences?"
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Postby Galvan on May 19th, 2005, 8:08 pm
CoasterDude316 wrote:Wow, Mike you really put a spin on that article. It says he bought the pass but isn't sure if he can use it. No where on there does it say he was refused a pass.


It says on the back of your season pass, that you might not allowed into the park if your a sex offender
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Postby Bob O on May 19th, 2005, 9:17 pm
I also applaud SF for this action. Sex offenders have the highest recividism rate of any criminals and shouldnt be in a theme park setting. We have had way too many recent crimes against kids too give these deviants a break.
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Postby E.R. Webmaster on May 19th, 2005, 10:10 pm
I personally believe that it is wrong to target specifically against sex offenders in their wording.

Also, in his case, he committed the crime when he was 16. He's now 35, thats almost 20 years later. He went through rehabilitation and he is probably not the same man he was. It also stated that he was sentenced to BRIEF jail time, meaning it couldn't have been TOO serious. Sure there are some people out there that are still dangerous, but not everyone is.

Don't get me wrong, parks should still do whatever they need to do to protect their guests, however adding something to their rules or regulations targetting a specific group is just wrong.
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Postby CoasterDave316 on May 19th, 2005, 10:54 pm
Galvan316 wrote:
CoasterDude316 wrote:Wow, Mike you really put a spin on that article. It says he bought the pass but isn't sure if he can use it. No where on there does it say he was refused a pass.


It says on the back of your season pass, that you might not allowed into the park if your a sex offender

You said he was refused a pass though in your first post. Which is untrue.
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Postby DejaVuGurl1203 on May 19th, 2005, 11:11 pm
I saw them talking about it on the news tonight, they were showing older footage of the park (Shockwave! and the ol' black Batman). I wouldn't want any of my kids to be near sex offenders either. Last year on closing day people were suspicious that my dad was a sex offender taking pictures of little kids, and a security guard came up to him and asked him to show the pictures he took all day on his digital. I think the guard even asked my dad to delete one of the pictures I was in, but he refused to because yeah, I'm just his daughter... Hopefully nothing like that happens again, but it probably will because it happened at a carnival once too.
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Postby greatamerica2003 on May 20th, 2005, 3:59 pm
E.R. Webmaster wrote:I personally believe that it is wrong to target specifically against sex offenders in their wording.

Don't get me wrong, parks should still do whatever they need to do to protect their guests, however adding something to their rules or regulations targetting a specific group is just wrong.


How is it wrong?

Are you telling me that if your kid was going into kindergarten, and the teacher was a sex offender, you would have no problem? Even if the crime was committed 20 years ago? You would be comfortable?

You would not be. I know you wouldn't and don't say you would, because that would be a lie.

The park is not only protecting their guests, but protecting THEMSELVES as well. In this "I will sue your ass even if you weren't directly involved" society, its a good move. The park could be hauled into court for not nipping this in the bud. They could be charged for knowingly let a sex criminal onto their property.

And they aren't targeting a specific group at all:

"Six Flags reserves the right to deny admission and cancel this pass if the bearer violates park safety rules or if the bearer has been convicted of a crime of a type that could pose a threat to the safety of our guests, including without limitation, any sex crime, or if the bearer is required to be registered as a sex offender (or words of similar import) in any jurisdiction."

It simply says "including without limitation"
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Postby SFGA Bob on May 20th, 2005, 5:31 pm
I would be confortable if I knew that the person was no longer a pediphile. however, to know that, you'd have to get inside the person's head and, with today's technology, I don't believe that is possible. basically, if they've paid for their crime and they are reformed, then they should be allowed back into society with full rights.

to take it further, who are you to judge if a person is wrong or right? pedophilia is taboo in our culture, but if you were in Japan, France, or Brazil, you might be attracted to children and it would be perfectly socially acceptable. norms and taboos change all the time and what is wrong today or in one location could very well be right tomorrow or in another culture. this guy was just following his own sense of wrong and right instead of conforming to what everyone tells him is wrong or right.

not that I'd give a pedophile a season pass or let my kids around one; I was just playing devil's advocate.
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Postby sixflagsguy5 on May 20th, 2005, 5:38 pm
They should send him to therapy and if a phyciatrist thinks he's ok then they could let him back in the park.
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Postby CoasterDave316 on May 20th, 2005, 5:50 pm
They never rejected him from coming into the park. He was live on a phone interview today on Fox News channel, and he said he called the park and they said he would be able to visit as long as he didn't do anything inappropriate. The only reason he said he's going public with this thing is because he claims it creates a false sense of security for familys.

So the park didn't even reject the guy, so I don't know what his problem is. He's basically just looking for something to complain about.
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Postby Carlo on May 20th, 2005, 5:53 pm
How can it create of false sense of security when I bet more them half of us that have a season pass did not even read the back of the season pass. He is the one creating it by tell everyone in the world.
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Postby sixflagsguy5 on May 20th, 2005, 9:21 pm
Because they're saying that they will keep people out of the park that are sex offenders, but really they're not. They're only keeping people out of the park if they do something in the park. So it is unpreventable if they do it that way.
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Postby twixmix0303 on May 21st, 2005, 7:59 pm
SFGA Bob wrote:if you were in Japan, France, or Brazil, you might be attracted to children and it would be perfectly socially acceptable


Sorry, we're not Japan, France, or Brazil. Public display of affection (won't go any further) may also be acceptable there, but here it's not. So does that mean it should be?

This guy is responsible for his actions, and he should live with the consequences. How do we know it won't happen again. If it does, then what are you going to say?
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Postby SFGA Bob on May 21st, 2005, 10:23 pm
it doesn't mean that it should or shouldn't, just that different people have different views of what is right and wrong and how do you judge somebody because they were raised differently than you or feel differently than you?

unfortunately, the only way to know for sure if it will happen again or not is to get inside his head and that's not very feasible today.
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