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Postby CoasterRiderSC on August 1st, 2024, 11:20 pm
Could "Walk the Plank" be referring to a Pipeline coaster? Or could it simply be referring to the plot formerly held by Suckaneer Battle? So not a ride clue but location??
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Postby SFGAM_Hog on August 2nd, 2024, 7:36 am
CoasterRiderSC wrote:Could "Walk the Plank" be referring to a Pipeline coaster? Or could it simply be referring to the plot formerly held by Suckaneer Battle? So not a ride clue but location??
While it’d be fun to speculate the former, I feel like it’s just saying that buccaneer battle is “walking the plank” and leaving even though it’s been obvious since the beginning of the season.


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Postby Blue_Toad_Coasters on August 2nd, 2024, 9:33 am
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CoasterRiderSC wrote:Could "Walk the Plank" be referring to a Pipeline coaster? Or could it simply be referring to the plot formerly held by Suckaneer Battle? So not a ride clue but location??
While it’d be fun to speculate the former, I feel like it’s just saying that buccaneer battle is “walking the plank” and leaving even though it’s been obvious since the beginning of the season.


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I agree that’s that is all there is to it.
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Postby Goku1910 on August 2nd, 2024, 3:34 pm
I see one park setting their reveal date for 8/8, anyone think SFGAm will break End of August Tradition here and make their announcement soon?

I think the'll drag these teasers to the end of August. Gotta sell those Labor Day passes somehow.
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Postby SFGAM_Hog on August 2nd, 2024, 3:41 pm
Goku1910 wrote:I see one park setting their reveal date for 8/8, anyone think SFGAm will break End of August Tradition here and make their announcement soon?

I think the'll drag these teasers to the end of August. Gotta sell those Labor Day passes somehow.
For the past few major additions GAm has done 4 teasers leading up to their announcement, but the campaigns usually start at the beginning of august so who knows? I could see them doing one more teaser next week then announcing it on the 16th, National Rollercoaster Day. But since it’s Six Flags, it would make sense for them to just wait til end of August.


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Postby Falcon on August 2nd, 2024, 4:00 pm
A tilt coaster makes a lot of sense given Great America's past additions. The park loves to adopt early model rides (Batman, Raging Bull, Superman, X Flight, Goliath). Dive Machines have been around forever and it doesn't feel like something the park would go for one since they're not the shinny new thing. I think a tilt coaster is way more marketable and eye catching.

Given the parks love for intense, half length coasters, I could easily see a short and intense tilt coaster being installed. Hopefully its at least the length of Goliath and isn't as short as Maxx Force. The park gets great additions, I just wish one of them would be a full length coaster. Goliath and Maxx Force are just a one or two thousand feet of track away from being world class.
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Postby CoasterRiderSC on August 2nd, 2024, 4:20 pm
PLEASE no tilt coaster here. That think looks like an absolute nightmare in terms of maintenance and being down all the time. Add to that the fact it's Vekoma makes it even worse lol
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on August 2nd, 2024, 6:10 pm
I understand they're short but they are full length coasters. It drives me nuts when people complain about the "rest of Goliath missing". It's all there. Maxx Force is all there. That's how they were designed. [emoji28] I get you wanting it to be longer but it's not. With that said, I do agree they're short & we are in need of a longer length coaster. Raging Bull is my favorite coaster in the park simply cause of how long of a ride it is & it is a fun damn good ride. XF Is my next fave. So I'd love a dive coaster but don't think we will see anything feel like Raging Bull or American Eagle without the giga. The dive would be short too but it would be a crowd pleaser. We've been rumored to have one for ages. It'll have a fantastic drop & inversions, have a great capacity (which is much needed) & look fantastic. I really hope it's a custom layout that is unique to us & is 150-200+ feet tall. I'm sure it'll also have a beyond 90° drop. This is the parks 50th year coaster, you'd think they'd want a ride no one else has. But look at SFGAdv. So who knows.

& side note, if you're upset that a new Vekoma Tilt coaster is possibly coming here, you haven't been on a new Vekoma. They're quickly becoming THE coaster manufacturer.


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Postby Blue_Toad_Coasters on August 2nd, 2024, 10:05 pm
CoasterRiderSC wrote:PLEASE no tilt coaster here. That think looks like an absolute nightmare in terms of maintenance and being down all the time. Add to that the fact it's Vekoma makes it even worse lol


I have to agree with you there. I understand that Vekoma is the next manufacturer and supposedly Gravity MAX, the original Tilt is one of the best old-gen Vekomas (which means that it can only get better when combined with new-gen Vekoma) but the capacity when compared to a Dive isn’t as good. I also hate how there are only two front-row seats which means the line to get front row would be way longer when compared to a Dive.

Then again, just give at least the vertical drop, a good handful of airtime moments, and a vertical loop, and I’m happy. Oh, and don’t make it rough like ROUGHarou at CP.
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Postby CoasterRiderSC on August 2nd, 2024, 11:29 pm
I'm concerned that with the nature of a tilt coaster, this thing could be down more than it's up (ala Deja Vu which I never got to ride).

I agree with GottaStrata - we should get a Giga as it checks off many boxes for us:
* new coaster
* Giga
* crowd pleaser
* high capacity
* allows them to remove Eagle (for Iron Eagle: Soaring to New Heights )

But IF we do get a Dive, I'd like it to be taller, faster and have more inversions than Yukon Striker.

Now that Cedar Fair is running the show I'm betting they want us to have a Giga.
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Postby GreatAmericanfox on August 3rd, 2024, 2:24 am
Ngl if i was park president, id take the park in the more themed route, i just don't think cramming as many coasters into a medium sized park is what Great America should be about.

Also i believe there's more longevity in providing a good guest experience, than cramming roller coasters, especially since if there were more interesting shows or other flat rides, it can take lines away a bit from coasters, thus shorter lines. Just a rough idea of my plan

Also to further prove my point, i think bringing back a modern version of Sky Whirl would draw in more people than a Dive or axis coaster could ever imagine (not saying this should, but I'm using a hyperbole)
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Postby GreatAmericanfox on August 3rd, 2024, 2:25 am
gottastrata33 wrote:I understand they're short but they are full length coasters. It drives me nuts when people complain about the "rest of Goliath missing". It's all there. Maxx Force is all there. That's how they were designed. [emoji28] I get you wanting it to be longer but it's not. With that said, I do agree they're short & we are in need of a longer length coaster. Raging Bull is my favorite coaster in the park simply cause of how long of a ride it is & it is a fun damn good ride. XF Is my next fave. So I'd love a dive coaster but don't think we will see anything feel like Raging Bull or American Eagle without the giga. The dive would be short too but it would be a crowd pleaser. We've been rumored to have one for ages. It'll have a fantastic drop & inversions, have a great capacity (which is much needed) & look fantastic. I really hope it's a custom layout that is unique to us & is 150-200+ feet tall. I'm sure it'll also have a beyond 90° drop. This is the parks 50th year coaster, you'd think they'd want a ride no one else has. But look at SFGAdv. So who knows.

& side note, if you're upset that a new Vekoma Tilt coaster is possibly coming here, you haven't been on a new Vekoma. They're quickly becoming THE coaster manufacturer.


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Easy solution: don't add a coaster or get rid of a coaster that doesn't have much value, lol (Few options here but since they don't want to do that....)
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Postby JackGlass on August 3rd, 2024, 6:51 am
GreatAmericanfox wrote:Ngl if i was park president, id take the park in the more themed route, i just don't think cramming as many coasters into a medium sized park is what Great America should be about.

Also i believe there's more longevity in providing a good guest experience, than cramming roller coasters, especially since if there were more interesting shows or other flat rides, it can take lines away a bit from coasters, thus shorter lines. Just a rough idea of my plan

Also to further prove my point, i think bringing back a modern version of Sky Whirl would draw in more people than a Dive or axis coaster could ever imagine (not saying this should, but I'm using a hyperbole)


I understand where you're coming from, but the overwhelming majority of Great Americas customers want coasters crammed everywhere, that's why they keep doing it over and over again.
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Postby GreatAmericanfox on August 3rd, 2024, 9:52 am
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GreatAmericanfox wrote:Ngl if i was park president, id take the park in the more themed route, i just don't think cramming as many coasters into a medium sized park is what Great America should be about.

Also i believe there's more longevity in providing a good guest experience, than cramming roller coasters, especially since if there were more interesting shows or other flat rides, it can take lines away a bit from coasters, thus shorter lines. Just a rough idea of my plan

Also to further prove my point, i think bringing back a modern version of Sky Whirl would draw in more people than a Dive or axis coaster could ever imagine (not saying this should, but I'm using a hyperbole)


I understand where you're coming from, but the overwhelming majority of Great Americas customers want coasters crammed everywhere, that's why they keep doing it over and over again.


You mean Coaster enthusiasts? I think everyone else doesn't care, and just go to have a good time and rides "rides", not because the big bad coaster has 17 inversions or something. I really see the park like Disney or maybe even Knott's, it's less about filling the coaster gap each year, and more as long as you provide a good and timeless experience, people will keep coming back. Also we're the third-largest city in the United States, I think more people would go if it was like a Disney of our own.

Pretty much this breakdown also makes me in favor of the merger, Especially if Cedar Fair management goes like "oh, we can build Great America like Knott's like how we built Cedar Point like Magic Mountain". The blocks are there, it's just their heart and mind needs to be in the right place to realize it.
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Postby staticshadows on August 3rd, 2024, 10:57 am
Campanella started demo on Buccaneer Battle yesterday.

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Postby Falcon on August 3rd, 2024, 11:48 am
I would love to see more non coaster stuff added to the park. Having been to Universal and Disney earlier this year, I was really craving some kind of unique snack or treat on my last GA trip. Sadly all the park has to offer is forgettable and generic overpriced theme park food.

A dark ride or family coaster would be great, but I just don’t see the park doing that. Cheap thrills is their demographic, and while I think that focus is part of the reason for SF’s financial troubles, they’re in too deep to fix that reputation. A lot of people I know haven’t been to GA since they were a teenage or since their kids were teenagers and view the park negatively. To revamp the park into something like Knotts or Dollywood is going to take a lot of cash and a lot of time to change that reputation. Doing so is more risky than just building a short “record breaking” coaster every few years.
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Postby B&MGuy35 on August 3rd, 2024, 2:05 pm
Falcon wrote:I would love to see more non coaster stuff added to the park. Having been to Universal and Disney earlier this year, I was really craving some kind of unique snack or treat on my last GA trip. Sadly all the park has to offer is forgettable and generic overpriced theme park food.

A dark ride or family coaster would be great, but I just don’t see the park doing that. Cheap thrills is their demographic, and while I think that focus is part of the reason for SF’s financial troubles, they’re in too deep to fix that reputation. A lot of people I know haven’t been to GA since they were a teenage or since their kids were teenagers and view the park negatively. To revamp the park into something like Knotts or Dollywood is going to take a lot of cash and a lot of time to change that reputation. Doing so is more risky than just building a short “record breaking” coaster every few years.
Well I guess you’ll be happy to know Six Flags isn’t in charge anymore. They just kept the six flags name. All the main Cedar Fair execs except 1 are running the company now. I expect the parks to get Much more beautification and love then in the past.

On the coaster note.
They are starting work very early compared to past installs so maybe it’s a sizable footprint but I guess we will see. My only ask is that it interacts with the midway and that is had 2 way locker storage!


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Postby CoasterRiderSC on August 3rd, 2024, 3:40 pm
Not to beat a dead horse with the Theming vs. Coasters discussion but most people I talk to would like the park to clean up its image : fights, punk kids, saggy pants gangbangers, girls half naked , etc. Nobody ever tells me "I wish our park was more themed like (ripoff) Disney". I'm constantly talking to other riders in lines and I go about 10-15x per year.

As for Cedar Fair, I've mentioned that I've been to several of their parks and they're themed to about the same level as our park: Cedar Point, Kings Island, Worlds of Fun, Kings Dominion, Valley Fair


I do NOT want our park to any way remotely resemble Disney: all show, no GO; boring kids rides; massively overpriced tickets, food, etc; grooming of kids (sorry!)

P.S. I don't think a modern version of Sky Whirl will bring nearly the amount of guests as a new Giga or Dive or even the (maintenance nightmare) tilt coaster.
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Postby Blue_Toad_Coasters on August 3rd, 2024, 6:05 pm
CoasterRiderSC wrote:Not to beat a dead horse with the Theming vs. Coasters discussion but most people I talk to would like the park to clean up its image : fights, punk kids, saggy pants gangbangers, girls half naked , etc. Nobody ever tells me "I wish our park was more themed like (ripoff) Disney". I'm constantly talking to other riders in lines and I go about 10-15x per year.

As for Cedar Fair, I've mentioned that I've been to several of their parks and they're themed to about the same level as our park: Cedar Point, Kings Island, Worlds of Fun, Kings Dominion, Valley Fair


I do NOT want our park to any way remotely resemble Disney: all show, no GO; boring kids rides; massively overpriced tickets, food, etc; grooming of kids (sorry!)

P.S. I don't think a modern version of Sky Whirl will bring nearly the amount of guests as a new Giga or Dive or even the (maintenance nightmare) tilt coaster.


Agree with not making SFGAm the “Disneyland of the Midwest” as CP set out to do that and in my eyes, they succeeded. Also agree with the park needing to clean up their image and that CP has about the same amount of theming. As a comparison, both have a great western-themed area with fantastic coasters (Raging Bull, Maverick, and Steel Vengeance) and both have conflicting entrance themes (CP has a Main Street vibe even though they have randomly themed coasters like Raptor and Valravn while SFGAm has a classic entry plaza theme mixed with Maxx Force, which is racing).

As for Sky Whirl, it may not bring in as many guests, but even I, a coaster enthusiast would rather have that over a Dive, Tilt, anything from new-gen Vekoma, or even a Giga.

I do disagree with the food not needing to be better. I went to CP and the food was magnificent. I think that SFGAm’s restaurants should adapt the CP style of “pay, choose an entree and a side, and eat.” Almost like an assembly line. I would say that the closest thing we have to CP level food is Yukon BBQ, but I have not tried that so I cannot compare it to CP’s BBQ restaurant, BackBeatQue.
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on August 3rd, 2024, 8:19 pm
They are already changing things, we've seen Yukon & Windy City Grill both get rethemed, they are a lot nicer than they both were let's admit that. So I am hoping we see more of that CF influence on food/dining & their other parks offer food options unique to their area. Like Carowinds offers Carolina bbq for one simple example. CP has some stunning restaurants that offer a better dining experience than what we're sadly used to. So I'm all for that the dining experience to move away from the typical grab & go theme park food. Easy quick locations are still obv a necessity but having more nice sit down options will always be welcome.

The more I'm watching these teasers or looking at the banners, I can't help but go back & forth on if those blue "ripples" are water or smoke. A sea monster theme would be epic taking over battle. It would be a fun story line.


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Postby Goku1910 on August 3rd, 2024, 9:11 pm
Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:
CoasterRiderSC wrote:Not to beat a dead horse with the Theming vs. Coasters discussion but most people I talk to would like the park to clean up its image : fights, punk kids, saggy pants gangbangers, girls half naked , etc. Nobody ever tells me "I wish our park was more themed like (ripoff) Disney". I'm constantly talking to other riders in lines and I go about 10-15x per year.

As for Cedar Fair, I've mentioned that I've been to several of their parks and they're themed to about the same level as our park: Cedar Point, Kings Island, Worlds of Fun, Kings Dominion, Valley Fair


I do NOT want our park to any way remotely resemble Disney: all show, no GO; boring kids rides; massively overpriced tickets, food, etc; grooming of kids (sorry!)

P.S. I don't think a modern version of Sky Whirl will bring nearly the amount of guests as a new Giga or Dive or even the (maintenance nightmare) tilt coaster.


As for Sky Whirl, it may not bring in as many guests, but even I, a coaster enthusiast would rather have that over a Dive, Tilt, anything from new-gen Vekoma, or even a Giga.


I will never understand this obsession people have with the Sky Whirl. The manufacturer is long gone and so is the original one that was installed at Sfgam. There's also no modern version of it.

Why does everyone have this fantasy that it can come back?
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Postby Blue_Toad_Coasters on August 3rd, 2024, 11:32 pm
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Blue_Toad_Coasters wrote:
CoasterRiderSC wrote:Not to beat a dead horse with the Theming vs. Coasters discussion but most people I talk to would like the park to clean up its image : fights, punk kids, saggy pants gangbangers, girls half naked , etc. Nobody ever tells me "I wish our park was more themed like (ripoff) Disney". I'm constantly talking to other riders in lines and I go about 10-15x per year.

As for Cedar Fair, I've mentioned that I've been to several of their parks and they're themed to about the same level as our park: Cedar Point, Kings Island, Worlds of Fun, Kings Dominion, Valley Fair


I do NOT want our park to any way remotely resemble Disney: all show, no GO; boring kids rides; massively overpriced tickets, food, etc; grooming of kids (sorry!)

P.S. I don't think a modern version of Sky Whirl will bring nearly the amount of guests as a new Giga or Dive or even the (maintenance nightmare) tilt coaster.


As for Sky Whirl, it may not bring in as many guests, but even I, a coaster enthusiast would rather have that over a Dive, Tilt, anything from new-gen Vekoma, or even a Giga.


I will never understand this obsession people have with the Sky Whirl. The manufacturer is long gone and so is the original one that was installed at Sfgam. There's also no modern version of it.

Why does everyone have this fantasy that it can come back?


While the manufacturer may be gone, the broker is not. I’m sure Intamin has some blueprints or something lying around somewhere. Besides, for the right price, I’m sure they’d do anything. Just look at Falcon’s Flight. For the right price, they built a whole new ride which they can now sell as a whole new model (the Exa Coaster). They could do the same thing with a Triple Ferris Wheel if they were to make Sky Whirl. Even if they didn’t have anything lying around, the ride is pretty simple to make. It’s just a pole that has a motor in it that rotates three arms that are connected at an angle. No need to worry about restraints since guests are sat in cages.

As for why I want it to come back, I never rode it, and like you said, there’s no modern version of it. Who even knows if any original DOUBLE Ferris Wheels from any manufacturer from the 70’s or 80’s is still around.
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on August 3rd, 2024, 11:43 pm
I just LOLd cause no joke, when I worked at CP, the maintenance team (who you become very close to from working TTD) said that Intamin will do anything for the right price. Anything. Apparently, the DAY Millennium Force opened, Dick Kinzel & the CP team made a joke to Intamin & asked "what about going 400ft?" & they were basically like are you kidding me & then discussed it from there. Hence why it was only 3 years between MF & TTD. I wasn't there so who knows how the convo went down but obv the money talked.


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Postby GreatAmericanfox on August 4th, 2024, 2:03 am
CoasterRiderSC wrote:Not to beat a dead horse with the Theming vs. Coasters discussion but most people I talk to would like the park to clean up its image : fights, punk kids, saggy pants gangbangers, girls half naked , etc. Nobody ever tells me "I wish our park was more themed like (ripoff) Disney". I'm constantly talking to other riders in lines and I go about 10-15x per year.

As for Cedar Fair, I've mentioned that I've been to several of their parks and they're themed to about the same level as our park: Cedar Point, Kings Island, Worlds of Fun, Kings Dominion, Valley Fair


I do NOT want our park to any way remotely resemble Disney: all show, no GO; boring kids rides; massively overpriced tickets, food, etc; grooming of kids (sorry!)

P.S. I don't think a modern version of Sky Whirl will bring nearly the amount of guests as a new Giga or Dive or even the (maintenance nightmare) tilt coaster.


I don't need to be like Disney, heck i've said in the past the Park can go in the Knott's route, it may take a while but i think that, adding a chaperone policy, or just keeping better upkeep will definitely make the park's image more positive if there was a little more care, and i firmly believe adding a record-breaking coaster won't solve that solution. Theming is the extra push to make it top class
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Postby CoasterRiderSC on August 4th, 2024, 12:50 pm
I want SF/CF to Make Great America Great Again!
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