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Postby SFGAM_Hog on June 23rd, 2017, 11:29 am
I'm kinda angry with Great America. You had this whole month to set the Lobster up and you haven't yet. Like Whiz Kid said, 2018's edition will be the Lobster. And hopefully a revamp of Demon.
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Postby JaminOut on June 23rd, 2017, 11:51 am
Looking at Google maps, Lobster does appear to be too big for Orbit's spot. Typical Six Flags fashion...


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Postby maxwellt on June 23rd, 2017, 1:07 pm
I hope that the lobster isn't the only thing we get for next year....

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Postby Whizzer Whiz Kid on June 23rd, 2017, 7:39 pm
I thought that before I really start to bash Six Flags, I would check this out for myself...
I started my search on http://schwarzkopf-coaster.net/hauptmenueGF.htm as I know they had some original scans from Schwarzkopf catalogs. Starting with Orbit, which I am pretty sure is an Enterprise 3. Santa Clara's is listed as a 3 on TPR's Shane's Amusemnt Attic. Image
The site lists the ground space as 66 to 74 ft. The catalog says the width is 65 ft.
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Take whichever you choose.
On to Lobster. Now this one is a little tricky trying to figure out which model it is. I believe it is a Monster III, but according to Schwarzkopf Coaster, the Monster III was not made until 1979. Everything I have been able to find says it is a III, so that is what we are going with. Also, my measurement from later match. Shane's Amusement has a page that says the ride is 58 ft in diameter and Schwarzkopf Coaster says the ground space is 72 to 74 ft.
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From this, you can tell Orbit would be a little smaller, but it doesn't seem like to big of a difference.
Next, I moved on to checking Google maps. Once again, I started with Orbit, which has a pad diameter of 62 ft
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by 68 ft.
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The ride wheel itself is around 46 ft.
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For Lobster, the pad is around 72 ft, quite a bit larger than Orbit.
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For the width of the ride unit, it is, like we said earlier, 58 ft.
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If they put it right where the center of Orbit's wheel, this gives them 2 feet on the sides not by the Ride Op booth. Assuming they move up a little bit, they may gain a foot or so, but not enough. Now I am no engineer or safety expert, but those cars spin and 3 feet is not a lot of room. In their old locations, the rides had about 8 feet on the sides.
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I am saying this is not going to work and Lobster will be back in 2018. If you see anything wrong, please post it! Yeah, I was really bored, leave me alone.
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Postby RollingCoasting on June 23rd, 2017, 7:50 pm
The hammer game in HTS has finally been replaced :lol:

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Postby Ilovthevu' on June 23rd, 2017, 9:37 pm
^^Flat joint has it listed as a Monster II, not a III. http://flatrides.com/rides/monsterii.html
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Postby Whizzer Whiz Kid on June 23rd, 2017, 9:45 pm
Point still stands, and it looks like the monster I I is a little bigger even. http://schwarzkopf-coaster.net/pictures ... nster2.jpg
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Postby staticshadows on June 23rd, 2017, 10:19 pm
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Postby FParker185 on June 24th, 2017, 2:45 am
Lobster is def a Monster 3, Michael Patenberg no longer cares to update his site and hasn't in about 15 years.

The orbit pad is surrounded by empty space, making it lager would literally take one week. If I had to bet money I'd say the park screwed up the ride in one of the previous "rehabs", ride has run terribly since about 2 "rehabs" ago
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Postby Whizzer Whiz Kid on June 24th, 2017, 9:07 am
Thanks for the input about it being a Monster III. I thought that's what it is.

Yes, but what are the chances that Six Flags drops the money to back up the fence, move Orbit's side control booth, pour more concrete, and have this all done while the park is open. From the park's point of view, this would be wasted money as it will not bring in more gate and they don't have to pay people to do the changes and then eventually operate the ride. If all this is true, I am still thinking this has to be a 2018 addition.
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Postby cliffhanger on June 24th, 2017, 9:37 am
Awesome detective work wizzerwhizkid! I can't believe they could screw up this badly. They were so blinded by installing thier new big ticket coaster, they essentially ruined two classic rides. At this point, im doubting if the lobster will ever come back. They aren't going to dig up and pour a new pad just for this ride. The whole point of moving it to Orbits spot to begin with was to save money on building a new station. If they really wanted to, and probably should have, they could have moved ERC to the sky trail spot and kept orbit. At this point, they are going to have to do the same work as if they had built a whole new area for ERC. I'm still hung up on why they even removed the Orbit. From what I saw, it was running fine and people always enjoyed it. It was unique and a great addition to the skyline. Is there a ERC fanbaae I'm not aware of?
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Postby Whizzer Whiz Kid on June 24th, 2017, 10:09 am
I would rather have Orbit. Ever since the refurb when it was down an entire season and was replaced by Buzzy Bees, it has been awful. The cars no longer spin and it is not nearly as enjoyable as it one was.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on June 24th, 2017, 10:29 am
If you compare the Orbit, and the East River Crawler, I do agree that the Orbit ran more than the East River Crawler more recently. The East River Crawler was becoming a mess. Yes, the Orbit was done for maybe 1/2 a year, but the East River Crawler was worse. The loading time on the East River Crawler was horrendous with 1 employee (ever since they added the seat belts) compared to the loading time on the Orbit (Line kept moving).

What bugs me is that they closed Orbit in EARLY August. They didn't even let anyone know. They SNUCK it out of the park. They shut it down so EARLY just so they can save money on the stupid virtual reality employees - to move them to the other ride.
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Postby Coaster Justin on June 25th, 2017, 10:31 am
Whizzer Whiz Kid wrote:I would rather have Orbit. Ever since the refurb when it was down an entire season and was replaced by Buzzy Bees, it has been awful. The cars no longer spin and it is not nearly as enjoyable as it one was.



As much as I'm preserving Marriott era rides, I wish the park had scrapped ERC and bought the Polyp from Kiddieland. That thing was 100x more intense.
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Postby gottastrata33 on June 25th, 2017, 11:26 am
There's a lot of things SF could have purchased from Kiddieland. The cars, the sign, the tilt a whirl...all woulda looked hella cute next to Little Dipper for a kiddie land section in the park over those horrid go karts!
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Postby FParker185 on June 25th, 2017, 10:56 pm
East River Crawler/Lobster would be much better if they decided to run it at more than 1/2 speed. All the traveling ones in Europe are far superior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAoRhb5bDc

then one in the Netherlands that a few years back got new cars made in house, got to ride it last time I was there.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wP6az8vT-I
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Postby CoasterRiderSC on June 27th, 2017, 12:09 pm
^^^ Great presentation of data, Whiz! If I had to choose one, I would say they should have kept Orbit since it's a classic (albeit old) ride. The Lobster is fun but how different is it from Triple Play :?
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Postby momlovescoasters on June 28th, 2017, 11:53 am
I agree with the entry process. It's aweful and such a bad way to start the day. Not only are the barriers pointless, they have metal "feet" at the bottom that are very easy to trip on. I saw many people trip and one little boy actually fell and scraped his knee and chin. Why have them and then NOTHING once you get passed that area? It's total chaos with people cutting in front of you and moving to different "lines". Actually, not lines just clusters of people. May was really bad as so many people in line don't have the proper paperwork and have no clue what is going on. They sit and argue with the employees making minimum wage and hold up the line instead of just going to customer service or doing their homework prior.

I don't think having a seperate gold line is the answer. They had it last year and that line was just as long as regular entry. Has anyone tried the Goodwill line that was mentioned earlier in the season?

There are many things they could do to speed up the process, it's not rocket science. Unfortunately they don't care. They are still getting there money either way.
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Postby DejaVu2001 on June 28th, 2017, 11:57 am
doubleb wrote:Batman line was ridiculous all day so I skipped it till it finally got down to 10 minutes around 7pm, end of the day as I bailed at 8pm. Come to find out the line was long b/c there are only 2 trains, the 3rd train was not even in the transfer area, appears to be completely out of commission. The 2 trains seem permanent b/c they now have 2 numbered bins and not the racks like before.


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Postby Ilovthevu' on June 28th, 2017, 12:45 pm
^^^Oh, so now you agree with me about the terrible entrance of not letting people in early enough as they used to be. Your argument before was were are you going to go. The rides don't open till 10:30am. Why do baseball stadiums open up for 2 hours before? Where do you go in a baseball stadium for 2 hours. The games don't start till 1:20 pm, 3 pm, or 7 pm. Let everyone be late to watch the game. 0 people in the stands sounds good.

Six Flags should take advantage of the opportunity of them opening the gates at 9:45 am, and them having multiple games OPEN in the front entrance area. They do have shops that should be open also. Make MONEY off of people. It's such a terrible idea. I know.. The point is though that the front entrance has become a hassle, and to alleviate the hassle, they need to open that gates early. It should not be a hassle to come into the park. I really don't know though what time they opened the gates last time because I was later, so they could have opened them up earlier at 10 am or not. I don't know.

I actually like the gates at the front of the park in which you go back and forth. It's better than the standard lines in which you have no clue in which line you are going in, and than randomly 2 lines merge into 1. I think they need more of them with the ticket / season pass takers.

The Batman flash pass was bad the other day. They weren't sending enough people up. He was like a flash pass asian guy that wasn't sending enough people up. He was so busy with flash pass people, and the trains were being sent really fast. The line almost became backed up to the front of the entrance (for NO REASON) because the guy wasn't sending enough people up the line. I go in the station, and it's all EMPTY! It's a mistake, but than the Batman people on top should be calling him to send a LOT of people into the station (At least 90 people - 58 for the station including line up to the station / 32 for 1 train to fill up all the rows for the next train because the rows were empty).

Really, they should install a tv monitor for the flash pass person to look at the 2nd set of stairs camera, but they won't because they don't fix much unless it makes them money.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on June 28th, 2017, 1:18 pm
^They have been doing it for years letting people in early, but not letting them ride rides. It has been more recently that they started this policy where they don't open up the gates early, and leave a mess at the front of the park. I too have went to another Six Flags park recently, and it wasn't a mess at all like SFGAm's entrance policy. You can get in earlier, and they make you wait towards the front of the park. It was GREAT!! SFGAm has no idea what they are doing, and they are only going to make people mad, and stop coming to the park. They treat the front entrance policy like the park is some amusement park in which hardly anyone goes to like Six Flags America.

The park is in the top 3 Six Flags attended parks (According to the TEA, it even says it gets more people than Six Flags Mexico right now. I think Mexico gets a lot of people because of less competition.), and it's NOT even open year round like Magic Mountain, Over Texas, Over Georgia is open for Christmas, or now Great Adventure is open for Christmas. It would not even shock me if Great America even makes the most money out of Six Flags because it's more of a family park, and families spend.
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Postby BCarroll on June 28th, 2017, 2:12 pm
This is the "Minor Updates, Rumors, and Happenings" thread, NOT the "Rash Complaining by doubleb/schoup" thread. Stop complaining or move it to a different thread please, doubleb!
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Postby staticshadows on June 28th, 2017, 2:16 pm
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Postby RollingCoasting on June 28th, 2017, 2:21 pm
BCarroll wrote:This is the "Minor Updates, Rumors, and Happenings" thread, NOT the "Rash Complaining by doubleb/schoup" thread. Stop complaining or move it to a different thread please, doubleb!


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Postby Whizzer Whiz Kid on June 28th, 2017, 4:30 pm
staticshadows wrote:The book is now delayed until 2018 because the publisher thinks it will sell better in 2018.
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Wow! That's pretty disappointing as I pre-ordered it like way back in March. I feel bad for Steven, but come on Acadia, let's get the book out already!
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