Is splashwater Falls being removed??

[rcoaster]

I like everything as-is and if nothing is added for next year, I really won't care, but they will add something becuase the "new" always attracts people. I just don't want them to get rid of vu and SWF because i pretty much grew up with them, of course SWF much earlier than vu...

[SheiKra13]

^Vu just has down time. SWF is getting harder to maintain. I'm thinking we'll get something small next year, and bigger between 2009 and 2010

[rcoaster]

I understand that it hurts Six Flags to maintain SplashWater, but what about Deja Vu? If SFI not afraid to close popular parks, I'm sure they won't mind taking off popular rides, such as Vu, especially because of difficulties to run it. I love the ride becuase it gives the best sensation when going off the first tower.

[SheiKra13]

But if its gonna be down half the season, not saying it will or won't, whats the point of keeping it around?

[rcoaster]

^ Technology can only advance.

[RagingBullFan]

But it costs money to implement technology. Everyone who has had to deal with Deja Vu is sick of it, the Electrical Engineers on-site, Ride Control, Mechanical Maintenance, and Park Operations.

It's pissed off everyone possible. At this point its used up all of its "second chances" because it already had its systems upgraded once before, its just become a money pit.

Though not as big as a pit as Vertical Velocity....

[rcoaster]

^ I totally believe the suffering the people go through to safely operate Deja Vu. Why is v2 such a money sucker? Its running most of the time, and I got stuck at the end once (see album for pic of me stuck on it), but they took as back instantly for a re-launch. I guess it can be the LIM replacements because I noticed that they are recently dated, from when I remeber riding it.

[sfgam1992]

From screamscape:

Park News - (9/7/07) Finally most of our sources have all reported in again and most are now in agreement that Splashwater Falls will indeed be removed along with Déjà Vu. However all new rumors are starting to pop up about other park features and attractions that may be on the chopping block as well over the next couple of years.
The list includes the likely removal of Spaceship America all together along with the removal of the Go-Karts this year or next to make room for another future project. As we are starting to see happen now, Six Flags management is looking to remove any attractions that have just become too costly to maintain or operate due to age, decay or design flaws. Falling into the old age category, it sounds like they may be taking a closer look at the park’s two interlocked flume rides to see how much life they have left in them. Iron Wolf is also an item of some debate… with some claiming it’s life could be coming to an end in the next few years while others claim it may be given some capital to freshen it up, get repainted in all new colors (Silver, Blue and Purple), and possibly see about buying some new trains. As always the fate of the Whizzer comes up whenever people talk about removing older rides… and the Whizzer is really the last of it’s kind in the country. While that makes it unique… it also makes it a bigger headache to maintain and obtain new parts for.

2009 - Hurricane Harbor Expansion - Rumor - (9/7/07) If the latest rumors are true, 2009 could be a year off good news / bad news. In On the good side we have the possible addition of a B&M Dive Machine and new rumors indicate possible plans to expand Hurricane Harbor to all new levels. On the bad side of the coin… we’ve heard that there is talk of making Hurricane Harbor a separate gate attraction much like how it’s done at Six Flags Magic Mountain and Great Adventure.

[RagingBullFan]

V2 is a money sucker mainly due to the cost of replacement parts.

Things like LIMs and their controllers are NOT cheap, and these burn out a few times a year. (A few segments, not all of them...)

New LIMs generally run into the 6 figure range.

That combined with other issues that the ride has/had make its total bill much higher than Deja Vu will ever touch...

But because it is a much higher reliability it will most likely be spared until its costs outweighs the benefits.

With Deja Vu being down so much more often, it doesn't need to spend as much to make it "unprofitable".

That plus when you have Vekoma Engineers who don't even know how to work their own ride.. Its not a good thing...

[Bob O]

Of all the rides mentioned, I hope they dont get rid of Whizzer!!!!
It is the ultimate family ride that can enjoyed by just about everyone, so I hope they dont get rid of it!! Im sure parts may be harder to come bu but you can find a company to manufacture them if you are willing to do so.
Im all in favor of getting rid of SSA and the go karts, a great palce to put in a interactive dark ride!!

[Cryptkeeper]

Of all the rides mentioned, I hope they dont get rid of Whizzer!!!!

I don't think you will see that happen - at least not this year. Removing two coasters in one off-season would probably not be the greatest idea ever *cough* Geauga Lake *cough*, so I wouldn't worry about that particular ride for now.

Also keep in mind, though plans for 2008 are in motion/set, I doubt the Shapiro has any idea what he wants to do with each park in 2009. And even if he has an idea, he is as likely to change his mind as time goes on as the old Six Flags management was. So, for now, let us not worry about what might be removed in future off-seasons down the road and instead focus on what's out the door this off-season.

[BP317]

But it costs money to implement technology. Everyone who has had to deal with Deja Vu is sick of it, the Electrical Engineers on-site, Ride Control, Mechanical Maintenance, and Park Operations.

Shapiro wants to remove them because of all the complaints the rides get, which is understandable.
The maintenence staff actually wants to keep it because of all the work they've done the past year to get it to run properly and they think they've gotten it to run pretty well (though recently its been going back to its old garbage, so I wouldnt expect the corporate office to want to keep it). Whatever they do get there im sure would be known for reliability and capacity machine, because of all the complaints Vu gets for lacking in both.

[RagingBullFan]

The maintenence staff actually wants to keep it because of all the work they've done...

I can think of only possibly 1 maintenance guy who likes working on it, but thats because nobody else will (unless they are told to)....

Everyone else feels its a waste of energy to work on it.

[ttd rox]

100 more childrens areas?
Might wanna check your math their bud.

With more rumors of the enclosed coaster buzzing around, maybe we will get the same indoor coaster that SFGAdv is getting.

I mean we both got Wiggle's World last year...
...but we didn't get Kingda Ka. Haha.

Your right, I meant 1,000 more LOL!!! I mean we're getting a lot of kiddie areas and is going to out run every ride there if they keep this up.

[SheiKra13]

I wish i could beleive the B and M Dive machine rumor, but i can't. A floorless dive machine would give us even more variety.

SSA and the go tracks should go.
I don't think Vu will go until 2009-2010.
I doubt SWF will come back to life.
Whizzer is getting harder to maintain so i think they should build another smiliar family coaster in a different location before gettiing rid of whizzer(and then use whizzer's are for a new coaster/attraction).
I don't think rustic wolf has much time left, but i could be very wrong.

Just guesses.

[rcoaster]

^ I would love it if they repainted wolf to the silver, yellow, and purple scheme and got new trains that would make it run smoother, and illiminate the head banging. I love the ride now, but too many people are focusing on how rough the ride is. If they would fix it, I think that can act as a new coaster because a lot of people will "ride the ride" not "ride the rough" (If you catch what i mean ).

[rct2wizard360]

I wish i could beleive the B and M Dive machine rumor, but i can't. A floorless dive machine would give us even more variety.

I'm pretty sure all of the Dive Machines from now on are going to be floorless.

Your right, I meant 1,000 more LOL!!! I mean we're getting a lot of kiddie areas and is going to out run every ride there if they keep this up.

WE GOT ONE NEW CHILDRENS AREA!
ONE!
Thomas Town is just a rumor right now, and thats dying off.
So stop complaining.

^ I would love it if they repainted wolf to the silver, yellow, and purple scheme and got new trains that would make it run smoother, and illiminate the head banging. I love the ride now, but too many people are focusing on how rough the ride is. If they would fix it, I think that can act as a new coaster because a lot of people will "ride the ride" not "ride the rough" (If you catch what i mean ).

First off, new trains would not help. Go ride Mantis, the difference is not that much, and definatley not worth buying new trains.

Second, the GP is definatley NOT that stupid. Thats like saying the could have marketed Batman as a new ride in.

Seriously people, come on!

[Trailblazer Tony]

Of all the rides mentioned, I hope they dont get rid of Whizzer!!!!
It is the ultimate family ride that can enjoyed by just about everyone, so I hope they dont get rid of it!! Im sure parts may be harder to come bu but you can find a company to manufacture them if you are willing to do so.
Im all in favor of getting rid of SSA and the go karts, a great palce to put in a interactive dark ride!!

Couldn't have said it better myself! It would be completely hypocritical to take this ride out, it is EXACTLY what Shapiro is looking for in a ride. Yeah, it might be hard to maintain, but he's not the one working on it and it's still very popular and reasonably reliable. This ride, in my eyes, should NOT leave in the next couple of years. Neither should Winners Circle, as much as I hate to say that. Despite me thinking paying extra for a crappy go-kart track is ridiculous with admission at that price, people still pay for it and the profit is the main goal!

However, a couple of those rides SHOULD go. SSA is one of the most unpopular rides in the park and with so many new and unique models of indoor simulators and rides and such, there could be a great potential of replacing it with one that will bring people in. Finally, on to the topic, if Splashwater Falls really is leaking (which i believe) and since it is one of four water rides in a park that has a HUGE and free waterpark, there is no sense in keeping it. Also, contrary to what people have said on here, i believe that there IS enough room to fit something new and decent over there! You can't go by park map, but you can go by this....

http://www.local.live.com

Find Great America on there and you'll see that there is in fact space to use that land for the good.

[rct2wizard360]

Keep in mind, SSA still get's a lot of weekend traffic, despite what most people think.

I've seen it with a queue over the summer.
But I can easily see them wanting to take it out too.

[SheiKra13]

^ I havn't seen SSA with a queue in forever, but i also rarely go near it.

[rcoaster]

^ I would love it if they repainted wolf to the silver, yellow, and purple scheme and got new trains that would make it run smoother, and illiminate the head banging. I love the ride now, but too many people are focusing on how rough the ride is. If they would fix it, I think that can act as a new coaster because a lot of people will "ride the ride" not "ride the rough" (If you catch what i mean ).

First off, new trains would not help. Go ride Mantis, the difference is not that much, and definatley not worth buying new trains.

Second, the GP is definatley NOT that stupid. Thats like saying the could have marketed Batman as a new ride in.

Seriously people, come on!

I didn't mean that physically we'll get a new coaster, but if they "smooth it out" (somehow) it would be more popular, and cheaper than buying a new coaster.... *Just a thought*

[ttd rox]

I hope they do get rid of SWF because it's kinda boring unless your really hot and need cool water but the other flumes there cool you plus give you thrill.

[rct2wizard360]

There is only one new Dive Machine under construction, which is in China, and there is no information about it. All of the pre-Sheikra Dive Machines have not been converted, and probably aren't worth converting.

Something else I thought about today though, if they are going to remove Deja Vu, do you think they'd be selling it off?

[tp41190]

Keep in mind, SSA still get's a lot of weekend traffic, despite what most people think.

I've seen it with a queue over the summer.
But I can easily see them wanting to take it out too.

wow. I just think it is in a bad location because its so out of the way. But I rode it three times this year and every time, only about 1/4 of the seats were filled up. But if they take out SSA, Go Carts, Pictorium (although I don't know its popularity), Hometown Fun Machine (if they need more room), and eventually Whizzer, they have a huge space for a new coaster. But with rumors of expanding the water park, they might use that area for Hurricane harbor instead. Plus they have that space of land next to the parking lot next to the High Way and the south entrance road. Maybe they could make a coaster go out of the park like Goliath at SFOG.

[SheiKra13]

Areas they could use for a new attraction-
SSA and Go kart track(They could use this are to extend the water park if they wanted)
Whizzer and it's surroundings(the tress they could chop down if needed)
Deja Vu and SWF area
Ironwolfs area(including picnic grove)
And the area by supermans first drop(suggested by screamcaoe)

BTW, has anyone seen any markings lately?