I find it amazing that the same person who doesn't think i have common sense isn't using any of his own.
Let's stop picking stupid fights with each, keep to the facts and enjoy what we've got. I can assure you, Shapiro has a lot more to worry about than any of you so lets hope for the best and move on. Idiots aren't going to stop being Idiots, Galvan (Not directing that at anybody)
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Nope. I did, in the beginning, but I would rather wait 3-4 more years for a big thrill ride and see stabilized prices with better ride upkeep then something continually added year after year and projects still being unfinished because maybe out of money...Dark Knight Grey Box...It is the Grey Knight not Dark
I agree with Galvan, SF has spent far too much money, much more than they could afford in putting up roller coasters, and failed to spend the time/money/effort in customer service and now to try and make up for past mistakes they have gutted what theming they have so you cant turn your head without seeing some usless advertising plug. or eat in a rest. that isnt tied into some lousy company like Pappa John's.
I think Shpairo is trying to do the right thing, but I dont see that he has the mlney to give the parks the transformation they need to appeal to both families and thrill lovers. A park doesnt need a dozen roller coasters to provide a great day for there guests(even though I LOVE roller coasters).
I think SF would be better off to sell SFMM and get out of that market. They dont have the money or expertise to compete against the competition from Disney/Legoland/Universal/Sea World/Knotts and all the other forms of entertainment in the area. The money they spend at that park would be better used to help other parks and cut down the debt load they have
OK, i'm probably going to get killed by saying what I think SIX FLAGS as a Company should do.
- Take any Usable Six Flags New Orleans attractions to other Six Flags parks and market them as new rides - Take any Rides from Six Flags America and send them to other Six Flags Parks - Turn Great ADVENTURE in NEW JERSEY into a CP like Complex with a Hotel and Lodging (I'm Sure some of you will say "Six Flags Isn't a Resort" well you can't expect every park to be as famous as Darien Lake) - Have a New Years Eve Event at Great America (For the Midwest) - Have a New Years Eve Event at Magic Mountain (For the West Coast) - Plan a Year when NO park adds a Coaster but instead, every park adds a flat ride package - Offer new Films to the Parks Every Year (Simulator/ IMAX) - Amp up Fright Fest at the Parks - EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS, DON'T SPEND OVER 92 MILLION ON NEW ADDITIONS - Invest in Gravity Group "Timberliner" Trains - Invest in Vekoma "LapBar Boomerang" Trains - Invest in Vekoma "New SLC" Trains - Sell the Un-Needed parks that are just Hurting the Company (Cough SF Maryland, Kentucky Kingdom, Great Escape Cough) - Invest in Renewable Energy (Don't anyone mock me there) - Snyder/ Shapiro should buy like 1000 shares right now to own more of the company - Combat Disney's "Free Admission on your Birthday" by giving a Large Papa Johns to you on your birthday free (Or Something else, if you can't eat Pizza) - Allow people to Bring in as Much free water as they want (Is Six Flags really going to lose millions of dollars? I Don't think So) - Partner with Southwest Airlines and Greyhound Bus Services
- Have some partnership with Johnny Rockets where if you eat at JR, you get 25% off Park Admission. If you go to Great America, You get a Free Appetizer at JR.
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I think the best decision they made in a LONG time was expanding hours/days for the upcoming season. I don't love the idea but if they sold a few parks over the next few years they can save money by transfering popular rides to other parks so you don't spend any new money on the ride. Yeah, not the best idea obviously but it kind of worked before. No reason why it shouldn't be tried again someday.
Coaster Justin wrote:OK, i'm probably going to get killed by saying what I think SIX FLAGS as a Company should do.
- Take any Usable Six Flags New Orleans attractions to other Six Flags parks and market them as new rides - Take any Rides from Six Flags America and send them to other Six Flags Parks - Turn Great ADVENTURE in NEW JERSEY into a CP like Complex with a Hotel and Lodging (I'm Sure some of you will say "Six Flags Isn't a Resort" well you can't expect every park to be as famous as Darien Lake) - Have a New Years Eve Event at Great America (For the Midwest) - Have a New Years Eve Event at Magic Mountain (For the West Coaster) - Plan a Year when NO park adds a Coaster but instead, every park adds a flat ride package - Offer new Films to the Parks Every Year (Simulator/ IMAX) - Amp up Fright Fest at the Parks - EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS, DON'T SPEND OVER 92 MILLION ON NEW ADDITIONS - Invest in Gravity Group "Timberliner" Trains - Invest in Vekoma "LapBar Boomerang" Trains - Invest in Vekoma "New SLC" Trains - Sell the Un-Needed parks that are just Hurting the Company (Cough SF Maryland, Kentucky Kingdom, Great Escape Cough) - Invest in Renewable Energy (Don't anyone mock me there) - Snyder/ Shapiro should buy like 1000 shares right now to own more of the company - Combat Disney's "Free Admission on your Birthday" by giving a Large Papa Johns to you on your birthday free (Or Something else, if you can't eat Pizza) - Allow people to Bring in as Much free water as they want (Is Six Flags really going to lose millions of dollars? I Don't think So) - Partner with Southwest Airlines and Greyhound Bus Services
- Have some partnership with Johnny Rockets where if you eat at JR, you get 25% off Park Admission. If you go to Great America, You get a Free Appetizer at JR.
I really like some the idea's there. The New Orleans idea is a good idea they are finally moving forward with. I also like the idea of renewable energy idea if they do it little by little.
However, there are some idea's I feel could be bad business wise. The water part is kinda of a bad idea. The bottle water does make them a good amount. Plus, they already have water fountains, so really not an idea that would help them much.
The 2nd one is the free pizza on your birthday. The thing with the Disney promotion is to do two things. The first is to draw the locals into for a day. Admission to the park is around 70 a day, unlike Six Flags where at any point you can get in for 25 bucks. The 2nd big one is to get people to plan a vacation to the park. The idea is to get a family of 4 in, lets say, IL to book a 5 day trip there during one family members birthday. This makes them a ton, unlike anything would at six flags. With Six Flags, not sure how a 25 dollar pizza, that cost 13 outside the park (and much better as it is actual Papa John's) would draw people in.
Coaster Justin wrote:OK, i'm probably going to get killed by saying what I think SIX FLAGS as a Company should do.
- Take any Usable Six Flags New Orleans attractions to other Six Flags parks and market them as new rides - Take any Rides from Six Flags America and send them to other Six Flags Parks - Turn Great ADVENTURE in NEW JERSEY into a CP like Complex with a Hotel and Lodging (I'm Sure some of you will say "Six Flags Isn't a Resort" well you can't expect every park to be as famous as Darien Lake) - Have a New Years Eve Event at Great America (For the Midwest) - Have a New Years Eve Event at Magic Mountain (For the West Coaster) - Plan a Year when NO park adds a Coaster but instead, every park adds a flat ride package - Offer new Films to the Parks Every Year (Simulator/ IMAX) - Amp up Fright Fest at the Parks - EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS, DON'T SPEND OVER 92 MILLION ON NEW ADDITIONS - Invest in Gravity Group "Timberliner" Trains - Invest in Vekoma "LapBar Boomerang" Trains - Invest in Vekoma "New SLC" Trains - Sell the Un-Needed parks that are just Hurting the Company (Cough SF Maryland, Kentucky Kingdom, Great Escape Cough) - Invest in Renewable Energy (Don't anyone mock me there) - Snyder/ Shapiro should buy like 1000 shares right now to own more of the company - Combat Disney's "Free Admission on your Birthday" by giving a Large Papa Johns to you on your birthday free (Or Something else, if you can't eat Pizza) - Allow people to Bring in as Much free water as they want (Is Six Flags really going to lose millions of dollars? I Don't think So) - Partner with Southwest Airlines and Greyhound Bus Services
- Have some partnership with Johnny Rockets where if you eat at JR, you get 25% off Park Admission. If you go to Great America, You get a Free Appetizer at JR.
A lot of these ideas, though well thought out, would actually be costing Six Flags more money. You try to balance out all the "cost money ideas" with the "sell the bad parks" idea. Selling the smaller parks would pretty much get Six Flags back to even.
Coaster Justin wrote:How about a 1-Scoop Ice Cream of Ben & Jerry's?
Problem remains the same in that there is no big draw there. About the only thing they could hope for is a season pass holder to come in because they know of the scoop and spend money on food.
One other thing to remember about the Birthday deal is the park is seasonal. What do they do about the people who have January birthdays. Disney can get away with that being year round.
I would like to see something like this, but it won't happen at a seasonal park. Maybe some of the Orlando, California or Texas parks that run year round, but not here.
I don't think anyone has brought this up, but it seems important. You know that huge playground in the Loony Toons kids area? Yeah, the one that has been sitting dormant for years. One family with little kids I went with were disappointed because it wasn't open. They should ether fix it or take it down. It is FALSE ADVERTISING FOR THE KIDS! It has been overlooked for a long time. The kids will love something like Buccaneer Battle, but will be disappointed at this SBNO playground. And onyxhotel08, I don't think mommy will look at batman and say "WOW, NEW PAINT! YAY! Wiggles World was ok, but BATMAN GOT PAINTED! YAY! Kids, come quick, look, NEW PAINT!!!!"
Paint= good looking ride that attracts people's attention better than a ride with faded colors and being tucked away in the back (Wolf). Batman doesn't need new paint. I never said it did. Your way of thinking would have made Batman still have the all-black colors it used to until a few years ago. And people love the new black and yellow. Painting is something that should be done more often as evidenced by the painting of Raging Bull in early 2008. It makes the ride stand out more and you DO notice the nicer colors standing in line and even in the parking lot. Otherwise, why not just leave rides unpainted and have it looking like the entrance to American Eagle?(Shudders)
I'm not saying rides shouldn't be painted, I'm saying that families would rather have Wiggles World than a new coat of paint on a ride (wiggles world would have looked like crap without paint, by the way). You said families would rather have a coat of paint on a ride than a new attraction. I don't think Batman needs paint ether. I was just using it as an example. Also, I liked the all black colors on batman, for one main reason: it fit with the theme. *sarcastically* Because yellow just screams The Dark Knight. The batman would look really intimidating jumping from rooftops with a bright yellow suit on. *end sarcasm*
I said families like a nice looking park not paint over a new ride. paint plays a big role in the way a park and rides look. A fresh coat of paint would do wonders for Iron Wolf, "Dark Knight" and even faded Giant Drop. If you don't want to do the big stuff to a ride like Wolf at least paint it every 10 years or so.
Jcoaster95 wrote: *sarcastically* Because yellow just screams The Dark Knight. The batman would look really intimidating jumping from rooftops with a bright yellow suit on. *end sarcasm*
Just thought you might want to know BTR opened themed to "Batman", not The Dark Knight. I suppose the park decided they had too many dark-colored rides in the park. Demon, Whizzer, IW, GD, etc.
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Yes, Shapiro is doing what he thinks is best for the company. But like all human beings, he makes mistakes and does not always have the best ideas. Now, we can all sit here and argue which ideas are the best and which are not. We can argue it on the Six Flags scale or the White House scale. But the fact of the matter is that you are never going to have a perfect economy. You are never goning to have a perfect business. You are never going to have a perfect system of anything! We cannot sit here and believe that any kind of change can happen perfectly over night. We cannot assume that Shapiro will make the best decisions. We have to look at what he is doing and how it is really affecting the business. If an idea is working right away, it might not always work in the long run. OR an idea might not work right away, but will work in the long run.
When you get yourself a credit card, it does you wonders at the beginning! But then you get in debt...that is just one example. I am not taking sides here. I am not foretelling the success of Shapiro's ideas. However, we can't assume and we can't blindly accept either side. What bothers me most in business and politics is when people automatically assume something great or terrible will happen and they don't look at it with an intelligent perspective.
So before any of you go crazy over something "beyond wonderful" or "beyond terrible", remember that you are only seeing what is happening NOW and not what could come of it later. Could it turn out to be "wonderful" or "terrible"? Yes. It COULD. But that does not mean it WILL.
This does not only go for coasters. It goes for anything and everything. Why simply assume? Keep your mind open. It only makes sense!
Jcoaster95 wrote: *sarcastically* Because yellow just screams The Dark Knight. The batman would look really intimidating jumping from rooftops with a bright yellow suit on. *end sarcasm*
Just thought you might want to know BTR opened themed to "Batman", not The Dark Knight. I suppose the park decided they had too many dark-colored rides in the park. Demon, Whizzer, IW, GD, etc.
One of the best decisions they ever made was add the yellow to Batman. I also think black is not the only color Demon or Whizzer would look good with. Red (Demon), green & blue(Whizzer) would be more...visually stimulating.
It would look nice in the trees and all the black is depressing. It's supposed to be a family ride. Black is boring and unimaginative. Deja Vu was green and blue and somehow I doubt you were puking then.
onyxhotel08 wrote:It would look nice in the trees and all the black is depressing. It's supposed to be a family ride. Black is boring and unimaginative. Deja Vu was green and blue and somehow I doubt you were puking then.
Deja Vu was always green and blue. The colors were good for Deja Vu. They would be good on some other rides. Whizzer is not one of them. It would clash horribly in Hometown Square. As for the black being boring, funny you should mention that, Whizzer is not black, and has never been black. It is actually a very, very dark shade of green.
DejaVu2001 wrote:If they ever painted Whizzer green and blue, I would puke. Seriously, that would be horrible.
I agree. My point was that rides need to stick to their theming. Whizzer would look horrible in green and blue. Why don't we just paint Raging Bull electric blue with bright yellow supports, American Eagle with purple track and lime green supports, and the logger's run boats bright orange while we're at it?
btw, If they ever did paint the Whizzer, I would say it should be forest green and brown, since it goes through the trees.
