^It does have an excellent collection of rides, and i personaly think are park is great the way it is.
Wiggles world didnt make me mad because it wasn't that big of a deal. No rides were taken out for it.
I would like another coaster, but i dont think we need one.
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Is splashwater Falls being removed??
Well, a lot of us have been holding this "kiddie thing" in for a while because it has done so much to the park yet. If during the next course of years, we keep on getting these small rides that, to us, are boring and pointless, then we have somthing to complain about. Now we just hope we don't have more wiggles or whatnot. I don't mind too much if they build another thing for the kids, but we've been left dry here dor a season or two of new coasters. Yes we are whiners, and you're right about the fact that none of the kid areas are huge, but I think it's in our nature to whine  ... and yes I think we have an extremely complete park!
Thrill seekers are natural whiners. Once you ride a ride, it's only natural to want more, I'm sure everybody wants a better ride than Raging Bull, even if they are happy with it. When I see money being spent on a different demographic (children and families) than myself (a teenager), I can only want to have a ride made for me and my demographic.
Completely agreed on ALL parts. But, Scott you know as well as I do that Great America does not need a 4th kiddie section. We still lack some attractions though Such as: An interactive Dark Ride A Ferris Wheel A large marketable flatride (Giant Drop just doesnt do it anymore) I guess we are spoilled rotten by how usually every 2 to 3 years we'd get another Raging Bull or Deja Vu. As for Jackluver... I hope you make good on your promise never to return to the park again  
^A dark ride and a ferris wheel would be excellent additions.
I think we need to all take a step back, take a deep breath and just remember just how lucky we are.
Consider this: Our Park has 4 B&Ms, Two Excellent Woodies, an Enormous Waterpark, Giant Drop, 3 Kids areas and a Stunt Show. Yet some people here want more coasters more coasters!!!!! People from every website on the internet used to complain and moan left and right about how Magic Mountain was such a dump....yeah they got whatever number of coasters but the park was dirty, filled with gangs, the rides where closed most of the time, Hell this park didnt even have its observation tower open until recently and still doesnt have a train/tram ride. But dammit they had 17 Coasters!! Yeah, look what that got them. The laughing stock of Amusement parks, nearly sold and could be partly the reason (not the whole reason) That Six Flags had the reputation it has in the business. I am willing to bet that 95% of the people who are whinning on this board, have never been to another Six Flags park, let alone Magic Mountain. Because if you did, you'd know just how lucky you really are to have Great America in your backyard. Oh, and another thing, you think staffing is bad now? Just wait..... Say Great America would get lets just say 2 new coasters next year (A floorless and some family ride) and Thomas Town land. Do you actually think the park would be running everything at 100%..... Not a chance in hell. Then the same people who are whinning here today would be complaining about staffing. Bottomline is.....we all should be greatful and happy with what we have. And not want 25 new coasters every year.
Hey I love Six Flags to death. I understand Shapiro wants it "kid friendly" But we all here on SFGAmworld.com know that but yet there are some us who think that Shapiro is stupid enough to want add yet another kiddie area. We have plenty of kiddie areas..I'm not going to stop going to SF because of the kiddie areas but trust me we have plenty and don't need another one. End of story...oh and Galvin please stop making comments about me when I haven't done anything to you...thanks. SF trips 09 = 15
SF trips 10= 11 SF trips 11 =7
^ Hey you made the comment, I was responding to it. Your issue not mine
For the record I HAVE been to SFMM and in the same sentence I say it was easily one of the worst parks i've been to, but it has some great coasters. Granted, one time I went, there were only 6 open, and each had 2 hour plus lines...why? Because people go to parks for coasters, not kids areas. That's why SFMM, SFGADv, and SFGAm are the most attended parks in the Six Flags chain.
I think it would be fair to say people who like coasters go to parks to ride coasters, people with little kids go to parks for the kiddie areas  .
Great Adventure has 4 kids areas A new thrill coaster costs between $8-$15 mil normally, a new kids area costs around $2 mil. Parents with small kids spend more money in the park than people who go on coasters. Do the math. You guys are acting like you think everybody in park management is completely oblivious to the world around them. It's not like Great America's never going to get a new thrill coaster again. Last edited by BP317 on September 2nd, 2007, 12:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
I have also been to SFMM and while I had a good visit at the park, I didnt find it as enjoyable as SFGAM
To me I would perfer to have quality in coasters and not quantity of coasters. And while I would love to get a new coaster(and believe we likely will) I think the park needs more attractions that most of the family could enjoy and not a coaster with a height limit that would exclude alot of guests. I dont think the park has went overboard on adding kiddie attractions and believe they should add more because while Wiggles World is very good, the other two are medicore at best. SF isnt in debt soley because of the addition of new coasters, it is in debt because they bought parks they shouldnt have and didnt know how to properly run theme parks, and while I think Shapiro is doing better they still need to make many changes to be profitable Now if the park would become more family friendly in the prices of food/drink/snacks and provide much better food service in terms of quality/speed of service they would make more money which would help them pay down there debt!!
We have enough coasters. What the park needs is a large family ride as mentioned before (sky ride, ferris wheel), and perhaps some kind of major thrill ride within the next few years (I still like the idea of a S&S Screamin Swing). Either way, I'd like to see some kind of major ride installed at Great America.
This thread's looking like something on Coasterbuzz.com, whiniest site I've been on...
You are so off base and have no clue , I don't even know where to begin. First: You said you went to SFMM when only 6 coasters were open out of a possible 15. Gee, did you ever think that the lines were long because 9 other coasters were down? Second: SFMM, SFGAdv, and SFGAm generate decent attendance because they are all in the TOP 3 metropolis areas in the country. It's a no brainer there. SFMM actually should be generating higher attendance due to it being an all year park. Third: So everyone you see attending an amusement park from newborns all the way up to senior citizens go because they want to ride coasters? Wow, just wow that you would even make that statement. There is a reason SF is financially screwed and that is because of the constant adding of thrill rides and not much else to the parks. It has alienated alot of families that do not return. This is a business, not your own personal wish list. I finally retired the Sarah Palin signature because she is now 100% irrelevant.
I am on both sides on this.
I do believe that we have a complete park that is a lot nicer then any other six flags parks. But at the same time, if we are so complete, then why does all the energy have to go to family areas/attractions. It can easily be spread out instead of a streak of kiddy areas. Like add a kid area one year, thrill ride the next, family attraction the next year, then some small rides, ect. If you think about it we had... 2004-family area and coaster 2005- water park geared to families 2006- addition to water park 2007- kiddy area So that is a streak of four years of non-thrill seeker attractions. So I think it is time to attract the thrill seekers again. I'm sure families complained about no new family additions before 2004, but now the trill seekers are complaining because we haven't had a real thrill ride since 2003. So they should have mix the additions together. Because another family area can wait one year because I'm sure families will still return. But A coaster is needed at least by 2009.
The difference is that when families complained about lack of family attractions, that was just it, the park hardly had any family attractions a few years back.
When coaster enthusiasses complain of lack of new thrill rides, at least the park already has a selection of them. The park just recently started balancing out. It's not like its been that way for years and the kid and family stuff continues. I finally retired the Sarah Palin signature because she is now 100% irrelevant.
I definitely agree with what Chitown and Galvan have been saying...
It's a little sad that some of you are whining so much about SFGAm not getting more thrill rides and adding things like Wiggles World... Honestly, it's what the park needs. If they added coaster after coaster every year, I don't know if they'd be doing as well. What's so horrible about the Wiggles? I never liked them myself, but going to the park less or whatever just because of one little stupid area in the park? The park already has a great selection of rides. I'm patient enough to wait for another good one. I go to the park enjoying every visit and every ride. I am extremely grateful that we have SFGAm, and that I am close enough to go there somewhat regularly. There's so many parks, especially a select few, that I'd really love to visit and I go crazy about it sometimes because there's a certain ride I want to ride (Take X for example. Oh, I sure hope we get a 4D ). I'll bet you anything if I lived somewhere else, I'd daydream about visiting SFGAm too. That's a given.
I love SFGAm, and I love its history... I always wish I could go back in time and visit it every year since it opened. It's only the people there that piss me off, a lot of the GP.
^ The sad thing is that we have it so good, and it can be so much worse that it isnt even funny, yet people still complain and complain about us not getting a coaster.
As a wise person once said "If you cant handle riding the same rides over again, and you constantly are in need of something new, you might as well change hobbies."
I am gratefull as well Deja vu girl. I live 10-20 minutes away so i can go a lot. Usually once a week.
Our park has great operations. I've gone to our park a lot and when i go usually everything is running. Oh sure i'd love to go to MM because they have what appears to be a better flyer, stand up, a 4D, ext., but everytime i hear a TR about it, eeryone says operations where bad and most rides were closed. Ithink were good with thrills for now.
Here's my whole take on this.
Me, and probably along with everyone else here, would really want a coaster. Come on, you all know you'd love it. Thing is though, it's not whats best right now. The closest thing to a coaster we would need right now, would be an upscale flat. Which King Chaos has defiantley not assumed that role, and Giant Drop is still our headlining flat. I really wish we didn't have KC, because something like Tomb Raider at KI would be AMAZING! But well, I don't know about that. We're set on a lot of stuff right now. We have a great park, and whatever what (if we get anything) next year, I'm sure will be a great addition to the park.
^I agree.
Okay, if everyone would take a step back and look at history, Shapiro is really not doing anything different than what we've done in the past. If nobody here knew that there was a switch in management, nobody would have made comment about us not getting a coaster since Ragin Cajun. In 2006, we added the largest and arguably most thrilling waterslide that exists in our waterpark. Yeah, it's not a coaster, but thrill seekers think about it, it's a thrilling waterslide! And it's enhancing a waterpark that desperately needed something else to suck up the crowds.
Then in 2007, we got Wiggles World. So what? 1998's only addition was kiddy sections, why do people complain about it now?! And for that matter, isn't it better than in 2000 or 2002 where are park got nothing?! The only reason you complain is because Shapiro did it under his new plan. If the old Six Flags did it, everyone would have realized that it was something our park needed and an excellent remodeling to the rather empty and rundown Eagle Tent. Seriously people, this new company is still functioning the same as Six Flags has always functioned since the beginning of time. I don't know about all of you, but i would rather have something new every year, no matter the size, than something big one year, then nothing the next. At least we know now that the park is changing for the better with every season! RIP: Trailblazer and Deja Vu...heck, even Alien Encounter
Fangs Up Cobra Style!!! Chitown's finest resident here!!!!!
For 2004 we got KC and Revy and those were thrill seeker attractions, for me at least. Although they really didn't become the headling flat rides I always make sure to ride them for an extra thrill. And then the tornado is pretty thrilling too. But yeah I'd definitely like to see a major thrill ride as a new attraction, wouldn't mind a coaster though... /X\
^I guess I really didn't think about Rev and KC.
Its just that people complained about them because they were used and not very fun.
IMHO SFGAM is a above average SF park, but not a great park by any stretch of the imagination!!
I agree with the current policy of trying to attract families and hopefully over time it will work out, it is a work in progress and hopefully they will send management to other parks that do a much better job in cateering to families and learn from them in both employee training and park operations.
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