_FuryBull_330_ wrote:Does Cedar Point have a quality wooden coaster....um no. The only woodie they have is Blue Streak which doesn't even compare to American Eagle, Viper, or Goliath. Does CF have good woodies around the chain, yes but we were mostly the chain to get a bunch of firsts which then makes Cedar Fair's a little more not unique. But then again I shouldn't say anything because we have a bunch of clones in the chain.
LOL! You're hanging your hat on 2 mediocre at best wood coasters and Goliath. Goliath which would not even be in CP's top 5, actually even lower, and that's the best ride at SFGAM
Jodon wrote:You are correct, SF does prioritize being the first to most things in the US, however, that hasn't shown to be a great thing. Do you think that people care that X-Flight was the first B&M wing coaster in the US? Take WW:GLC at SFFT. They are opening up a Raptor clone the same season as CAGAm. Do you think the public really cares which one opens up first? The target audience for each park is excited for their coaster to open. I can't imagine a fan of CAGAm queuing for Railblazer and think..."Man, I wish Railblazer would have opened up 4 weeks earlier to be the 'World's first single rail coaster'"...I just don't see it from the public's point of view.
I get that parks are always looking for unique marketing angles for their rides. I think that SFGAm still advertises Raging Bull as the Worlds First Hyper Twister Coaster in current tv spots, which is odd to me, but whatever.
Lastly, Cedar Point has been installing differentiating rides over the past decade. A wooden coaster is not a differenctiating ride. I like wooden coasters, but look at their last 3 additions: Gatekeeper, tallest/fastest/longest wing coaster (1 of 4 US B&M Wing coasters) Valravn, tallest/fastest/longest dive coaster (1 of 3 US B&M Dive Coasters) Steel Vengeance, tallest/fastest/longest/steepest/most-inverting RMC Hybrid (1 of 9 US RMC hybrids)
All of their most recent additions have been top-end, fairly-unique ride types. I think that CP will eventually get another quality wooden coaster, but they likely don't see the need to add one because they have the money to buy large scale unique rides at the moment and want to build up their unique experiences.
Agree, However I think CP's next coaster may be a a boardwalk woodie in 2020. Being CP they likely will make it a record breaker. I also could see CP going for 500ft steel or the first RMC Trex. CP is all about records and their Revenue/EBIDTA is great. Tony Clark & McClure are kids in a candy shop.
Jodon wrote:You are correct, SF does prioritize being the first to most things in the US, however, that hasn't shown to be a great thing. Do you think that people care that X-Flight was the first B&M wing coaster in the US? Take WW:GLC at SFFT. They are opening up a Raptor clone the same season as CAGAm. Do you think the public really cares which one opens up first? The target audience for each park is excited for their coaster to open. I can't imagine a fan of CAGAm queuing for Railblazer and think..."Man, I wish Railblazer would have opened up 4 weeks earlier to be the 'World's first single rail coaster'"...I just don't see it from the public's point of view.
I get that parks are always looking for unique marketing angles for their rides. I think that SFGAm still advertises Raging Bull as the Worlds First Hyper Twister Coaster in current tv spots, which is odd to me, but whatever.
Lastly, Cedar Point has been installing differentiating rides over the past decade. A wooden coaster is not a differenctiating ride. I like wooden coasters, but look at their last 3 additions: Gatekeeper, tallest/fastest/longest wing coaster (1 of 4 US B&M Wing coasters) Valravn, tallest/fastest/longest dive coaster (1 of 3 US B&M Dive Coasters) Steel Vengeance, tallest/fastest/longest/steepest/most-inverting RMC Hybrid (1 of 9 US RMC hybrids)
All of their most recent additions have been top-end, fairly-unique ride types. I think that CP will eventually get another quality wooden coaster, but they likely don't see the need to add one because they have the money to buy large scale unique rides at the moment and want to build up their unique experiences.
Agree, However I think CP's next coaster may be a a boardwalk woodie in 2020. Being CP they likely will make it a record breaker. I also could see CP going for 500ft steel or the first RMC Trex. CP is all about records and their Revenue/EBIDTA is great. Tony Clark & McClure are kids in a candy shop.
Of course it's CP, they have to break every single record .
How come Lightning Rod is never open when I go.
Top 10: 1. El Toro 2. Steel Vengeance 3. I305 4. Fury 325 5. Maverick 6. Mako 7. Iron Rattler 8. Medusa Steel Coaster 9. Raptor Clones 10. Maxx Force.
Has anybody noticed that there have been self-ordering kiosk at some restaurants. I have seen them at Capone's, Strutters, and JB's. You can only use credit cards and you can't use your Dining Plan with on them. Also the Midway Munchies food truck is in Hurricane Harbor in front of the Hurricane Mountain slide complex. You can see it from Raging Bull and Viper.
1.) Steel Vengeance 2.) Iron Gwazi 3.) The Voyage 4.) El Toro 5.) Velocicoaster Ragin Cajun and Iron Wolf went from Six Flags Great America to Six Flags America. I guess they weren't GREAT anymore.
I would say we have some better coasters than Cedar Point (I really like my classics...) but as far as operations, cleanliness (and Great America IS the cleanest park in the chain, but still) and hang-out-ability, Cedar Point does in fact run circles around our home park. And I'm not a CP fanboy, just being honest.
Cedar Point (and Cedar Fair parks in general) tend to be very user-friendly and hassle-free, where as Six Flags - including our home park - are always very hassle prone. There are problems at every turn. Horribly (and purposely) designed ride entrances and exits (to take your time, make you hungry and thirsty), etc. etc.
Six Flags seems to be consistent at one thing, and that is riddled with issues and problems.. misinformation all-around, you name it. And our Great America runs circles around the rest of the Six Flags parks. It can be a site to behold.
Just this past Sunday, I was in the lot just after 4pm and I have to always sit in the car and think "is it really worth it?" It almost always is (at Great America anyway), but I really have to be ready to deal with a very un-carefree time.
How about the most important update of all...some (most?) food portions have shrunk!!!
The plate for spaghetti in Capone's is different and is smaller this year. The ice cream cups I saw being filled seemed smaller, and even if they aren't smaller, the amount of ice cream the employees I saw put in each cup only filled the cup to the 3/4th's level.
Cryptkeeper wrote:How about the most important update of all...some (most?) food portions have shrunk!!!
The plate for spaghetti in Capone's is different and is smaller this year. The ice cream cups I saw being filled seemed smaller, and even if they aren't smaller, the amount of ice cream the employees I saw put in each cup only filled the cup to the 3/4th's level.
I AM SUING!!!! ha
The plate of spaghetti at Capone's looked the same as last year. The refill cups look smaller.
I can't believe they are shrinking the plate sizes and keeping the price the same. If anything lower the price while they are at it and it will actually be worth the price.
How come Lightning Rod is never open when I go.
Top 10: 1. El Toro 2. Steel Vengeance 3. I305 4. Fury 325 5. Maverick 6. Mako 7. Iron Rattler 8. Medusa Steel Coaster 9. Raptor Clones 10. Maxx Force.
But the portion sizes were so large that most people didn't finish. Makes the park money, saves on food, and means more people will finish. I say it's a win-win all around.
Does anybody have insight as to when Whizzer plans to open? It leaves a major hole in the park by not being open. Hopefully they don't use the painting as an excuse to keep it closed until summer.
Guy_With_A_Stick wrote:But the portion sizes were so large that most people didn't finish. Makes the park money, saves on food, and means more people will finish. I say it's a win-win all around.
Not if it's so over-priced...
I should not pay the same amount for a smaller portion I did for a larger one...
Guy_With_A_Stick wrote:But the portion sizes were so large that most people didn't finish. Makes the park money, saves on food, and means more people will finish. I say it's a win-win all around.
Not if it's so over-priced...
I should not pay the same amount for a smaller portion I did for a larger one...
Like I said lower the price it would save us a bunch(or a little).
How come Lightning Rod is never open when I go.
Top 10: 1. El Toro 2. Steel Vengeance 3. I305 4. Fury 325 5. Maverick 6. Mako 7. Iron Rattler 8. Medusa Steel Coaster 9. Raptor Clones 10. Maxx Force.
Lizardgi wrote:Does anybody have insight as to when Whizzer plans to open? It leaves a major hole in the park by not being open. Hopefully they don't use the painting as an excuse to keep it closed until summer.
Thank goodness about X-Flight. Now I can go one it more than just the start of the day when the lines are short! And I was able to take a look at the painted parts of Whizzer, and it looks great. It's not really that noticeable yet, but I think once they paint the whole structure it'll really pop.
Can someone tell me how fast and smooth the coasters have been running? Particularly Eagle Red, Viper, and Raging Bull and how much airtime they are providing? Last May and June they were running at their best and were airtime machines, and they held their pacing throughout most of the season better than any year prior. I'll finally be able to visit next Thursday the 10th.
Wisco Woody wrote:Can someone tell me how fast and smooth the coasters have been running? Particularly Eagle Red, Viper, and Raging Bull and how much airtime they are providing? Last May and June they were running at their best and were airtime machines, and they held their pacing throughout most of the season better than any year prior. I'll finally be able to visit next Thursday the 10th.
I know right. X-Flight actually felt forceful (I grayed out), I was flying out of my seat on Raging Bull, and Viper was actually smooth to me for the first time in 2 years. Sadly there were long lines because of cheer and Music in the Parks but overall good experience(aside the fact food lines were horrendous and I kept hearing "Burger King Foot Lettuce" over and over again.)
How come Lightning Rod is never open when I go.
Top 10: 1. El Toro 2. Steel Vengeance 3. I305 4. Fury 325 5. Maverick 6. Mako 7. Iron Rattler 8. Medusa Steel Coaster 9. Raptor Clones 10. Maxx Force.
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The refill cups look smaller. 
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