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Postby deja blues on June 4th, 2010, 11:27 pm
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deja blues wrote:I am so excited for Chang to enter as the newest coaster in the line-up. However, I still ask myself "don't we deserve more." We are constantly rated one of the best amusment parks in the world, and certainly one of the best six flags (not much competition there). However, it feels like we are being neglected if the only way we can get a new roller coaster is if another park closes down, or if the coaster is a duplicate. I know that six flags has been going through some financial wows, but I still think they could stop focusing on SFMM and SFGA, and start focusing a little more on us. Just my thoughts, but never the less I am still really excited.


Welcome to the Forums! ....But Great America is not neglected, I mean we DO have 14 Roller Coasters.

And most the coasters we do have are not duplicated or from another park. Batman was the first Looping suspended and Raging Bull was the first Hyper. Our park is pretty authentic if you ask me.


Yeah Batman was the first looping suspended, and it was unique until they built duplicates. There is a duplicate of V2 (also wicked twister which is a second gen. but still) Superman, there are like 20 of those. I mean American Eagle is nice but could use some renovation. Raging Bull is okay, until you have been on other mega's, giga's, or strata's. Iron Wolf is only the truly unique roller coaster, but unique in all the wrong ways today. Great America is neglected, 14 is good, but not really that good when you look at the fact that we only have 3 bearable rides.
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Postby traincrossing9 on June 4th, 2010, 11:31 pm
^Most of the people that come to Great America don't even know that there are duplicates of some of our rides. I enjoy all of the coasters that we have to offer. Iron Wolf does have it's good days.
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Postby monsterfan99 on June 4th, 2010, 11:46 pm
deja blues wrote:Yeah Batman was the first looping suspended, and it was unique until they built duplicates. There is a duplicate of V2 (also wicked twister which is a second gen. but still) Superman, there are like 20 of those. I mean American Eagle is nice but could use some renovation. Raging Bull is okay, until you have been on other mega's, giga's, or strata's. Iron Wolf is only the truly unique roller coaster, but unique in all the wrong ways today. Great America is neglected, 14 is good, but not really that good when you look at the fact that we only have 3 bearable rides.

Did I miss the other 16 Supermans put in as there were 4 at last count.
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on June 5th, 2010, 12:54 am
Yes, one thing I've never liked about SFparks is the lack of originallity. Odd to think the only B&M inverts they have ever installed is BTR clones... :/ As for SFGAm, the only rides no one else has of ours are Raging Bull, Whizzer, & IronWolf. I don't like that now that I've put it in text...3 out of 13(14)... Hmm Well a 4th is comin!
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Postby onyxhotel08 on June 5th, 2010, 1:02 am
[quote="gottastrata33"]Aww David :/ haha Ok how about no one jump to a conclusion...this is all part of the fun (the speculation & wonder). No more yellin at the little one ;) Anywhoogle...

I hope its not red & blue, I really don't. A new color to the park would be nice, & as I have said PLEASE NO MORE YELLOW!

Purple one way or another...not all green ewww
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Postby monsterfan99 on June 5th, 2010, 1:21 am
gottastrata33 wrote:Yes, one thing I've never liked about SFparks is the lack of originallity. Odd to think the only B&M inverts they have ever installed is BTR clones... :/ As for SFGAm, the only rides no one else has of ours are Raging Bull, Whizzer, & IronWolf. I don't like that now that I've put it in text...3 out of 13(14)... Hmm Well a 4th is comin!

American Eagle says hi.
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Postby onyxhotel08 on June 5th, 2010, 2:11 am
There is no IDENTICAL Viper out there.
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Postby david on June 5th, 2010, 10:35 am
Yes, but Viper is a clone.

And there is no other Demon out there. You forgot that. ;)
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Postby Cole on June 5th, 2010, 10:43 am
david wrote:Yes, but Viper is a clone.

And there is no other Demon out there. You forgot that. ;)

Theres gotta be a double loop and doubel corkscrew coaster out there somewhere.
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Postby rcoaster on June 5th, 2010, 11:58 am
^ Try Demon at California's Great America. It looks like it used to be called Turn of the Century! What a coincidence.

I wonder when more information will be released concerning Chang.
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on June 5th, 2010, 12:54 pm
monsterfan99 wrote:
gottastrata33 wrote:Yes, one thing I've never liked about SFparks is the lack of originallity. Odd to think the only B&M inverts they have ever installed is BTR clones... :/ As for SFGAm, the only rides no one else has of ours are Raging Bull, Whizzer, & IronWolf. I don't like that now that I've put it in text...3 out of 13(14)... Hmm Well a 4th is comin!

American Eagle says hi.


Oops! ;) Hi American Eagle. Wow, how could I forget my favorite ride in the park?! I listed each coaster we had then put what other SF parks had them but it was too long, that's prob how I left out AE :( haha

Does anyone remember in 2004 when they had that giant sign beside RaginCajun's station to announce Hurricane Harbor?! Well if you do, I hope they do that for "Chang".
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Postby SFaddiction84 on June 5th, 2010, 1:11 pm
Ya im excited to see all the teaser signs start being posted around the park, especially when they get the final OK from the village
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on June 5th, 2010, 1:56 pm
I love Teaser signs...but I like when parks go all out on 'em. I gotta say, before I quit CP last September, they posted an awesome sign for their now FAILED Shoot the Rapids. But I liked that it had "slogans" on it, stats, & the entire layout describin everything. I liked that.
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Postby deja blues on June 5th, 2010, 6:58 pm
Well by other Supermans I mean that just 1 or 2 other identical roller coasters are a lot when building a roller coaster requires so much. Plus, I kinda do not like superman at all because its only 30-35 seconds long and only has the pretzel loop (barrel roll is fine). At least Chang will have some gurth.
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Postby B&MGuy29 on June 5th, 2010, 8:19 pm
deja blues wrote:
Goku1910 wrote:
deja blues wrote:I am so excited for Chang to enter as the newest coaster in the line-up. However, I still ask myself "don't we deserve more." We are constantly rated one of the best amusment parks in the world, and certainly one of the best six flags (not much competition there). However, it feels like we are being neglected if the only way we can get a new roller coaster is if another park closes down, or if the coaster is a duplicate. I know that six flags has been going through some financial wows, but I still think they could stop focusing on SFMM and SFGA, and start focusing a little more on us. Just my thoughts, but never the less I am still really excited.


Welcome to the Forums! ....But Great America is not neglected, I mean we DO have 14 Roller Coasters.

And most the coasters we do have are not duplicated or from another park. Batman was the first Looping suspended and Raging Bull was the first Hyper. Our park is pretty authentic if you ask me.


Yeah Batman was the first looping suspended, and it was unique until they built duplicates. There is a duplicate of V2 (also wicked twister which is a second gen. but still) Superman, there are like 20 of those. I mean American Eagle is nice but could use some renovation. Raging Bull is okay, until you have been on other mega's, giga's, or strata's. Iron Wolf is only the truly unique roller coaster, but unique in all the wrong ways today. Great America is neglected, 14 is good, but not really that good when you look at the fact that we only have 3 bearable rides.



American Eagle has almost been completely re-tracked.....much smoother ride and in my opinion it's the fastest it's been in a long time!!
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on June 5th, 2010, 8:23 pm
I'm excited for the layout to be here...I happen to love Mantis & this seems to have a little more *umph* to it.
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Postby david on June 5th, 2010, 9:35 pm
^ All it is is an extra corkscrew and a few extra feet.
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on June 5th, 2010, 10:22 pm
david wrote:^ All it is is an extra corkscrew and a few extra feet.



Dont be tellin me Davey boy! ;) I know but thats the extra *umph* OK?! haha
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Postby Goku1910 on June 5th, 2010, 10:56 pm
B&MGuy29 wrote:

American Eagle has almost been completely re-tracked.....much smoother ride and in my opinion it's the fastest it's been in a long time!!


Blue Side helix is still rough. Red Side Pride! 8)
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Postby deja blues on June 6th, 2010, 12:26 am
^ I miss when blue side was backwards, it was like 50 times more intense and awesome. But, I still love American Eagle, its got that historic quality like Blue Streak or Cyclone.
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Postby david on June 6th, 2010, 7:59 am
How did this discussion get to American Eagle?

Anyways. So I have a question to those who were adamant that we wouldn't get Chang. What do you think now?
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Postby SFGAmgirl on June 6th, 2010, 12:51 pm
david wrote: What do you think now?


That it's a huge mistake for Six Flags. SFStL or SFA could have easily benefited more than SFGAm if they had gotten Chang. SFGAm already has 14 coasters, and nearly NO competition. I'm telling you, people will continue to go SFGAm even if they don't add any new large coasters for 5-10 years. The GP thinks that RB, S:UF, and B:TR are all spectacular rides and rave about them like they're the best coasters in the world, mainly because most of them have barely experienced coasters outside of SFGAm.

My friends have gotten season passes every year for the past 4 years, even though the park has only added minimal attractions that mainly did not attract teens.


Six Flags better market the hell out of Chang, because it would have been a waste if guests just come for their annual trip to SFGAm, and suddenly realize that there's a new coaster.
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Postby CoastsToCoasters on June 6th, 2010, 3:28 pm
I agree & disagree with you. "If you're not growing, you're dieing" That was in the latest article about the park. I do agree that another park as the exact ones you listed in fact, could benefit from receiving Chang, I do not agree that us not gettin another major attraction for 5-10yrs would keep people. Yes, people will keep comin back but a lot complain after they have been elsewhere. Somethin new will excite them...I think they will market it well, & I hope they do. Now I have been in Ohio the last two years so for DK & BB, I haven't watched TV to see what the SF commercials were like but I think tv adverts are the best way to go. You gotta inform people about your deals & what's new to your park. Well see right?!

So as I rant, I'm sorry, I do not agree we don't need anything. I feel somethin "fresh" to our lineup will be very exciting bringin a lot of a new look & feel to our park, I'm excited.
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Postby deja blues on June 6th, 2010, 5:39 pm
Im kinda confused at what I think now, because I am like so excited for a new roller coaster especially one as awesome as Chang, but then its like "what about Iron Wolf." Since it is confirmed that it is going to stay a stand up, what does that mean for Wolfy? Now, Wolfy is not going to get new trains so it still is going to be as rough as ever, and now it has competition from what is clearly a superior stand-up ride. What I am most scared of is that if they get rid of it plus their new-found love of kid rides, does that equal another wiggles world or playground. What do you guys think?
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Postby onyxhotel08 on June 6th, 2010, 6:19 pm
Everything went up in the air when Shapiro left. Iron Wolf may or may not make it to 2011. I'd hate to see another SWF type situation with nothing to replace Wolf but we also haven't gotten any major flats since what 2005? 2011/2012 we could seriously use one in either Wolf's spot or SWF.
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