CHANG WATCH: The Official Topic

[Goku1910]

It's pretty evident david. You do a lot of complaining. Especially when the "What's best for the park:" debate comes up. Or when people even mention the name Mark Shapiro.

BTW david, I'd think twice before swearing in your posts. I can see that bold text.

[david]

Thanks for the advice!

I complain because I care. I'm like anyone's mom. And, I really have nothing personal against Shapiro, I just dislike that he removes a coaster and replaces it with a kiddie ride, and most likely has no intention of EVER replacing the coaster.

[Galvan]

I complain because I care. I'm like anyone's mom.

Then your pretty much going at this this wrong way, and you need to start worrying about much more important things in your life.

[Cole]

I dont think we need a GCI, but I really think it would be cool if Viper got MFs. It almost has a GCI layout and I think it would be very good with the new trains.

[Jcoaster95]

Viper is already too smooth. And extremely overrated.

[Cole]

I really enjoy Viper. I love the layout and it has decent air time and would just be awesome with MFs

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[guitarhero119]

And, I really have nothing personal against Shapiro, I just dislike that he removes a coaster and replaces it with a kiddie ride, and most likely has no intention of EVER replacing the coaster.

That's absolutely correct. Mark Shapiro's job is to make money. The facts are that over the past few years Six Flags has turned around. Its seems the only motherly intuition you have is to have as much fun with your "child" as you can right now and then worry about the future later. Unfortunately, that's what caused the company to go under in the first place

As for Chang vs A GCI I have mixed emotions. Chang would have the inversions that the pubic would ooo and ahh over, and it also has potential to be a capacity machine. On the other hand a GCI would almost certainly have a lower height restriction, however with the additions in the past few year I am not sure that this is an issue in the eyes of corporate anymore. Also if we were to add another coaster to our already great collection, I'm not sure that a wood coaster trumps a steel coaster solely based on diversities sake.

Finally, I don't buy the statement that the park needs another coaster because as many have pointed out there is no direct competition to warrant the expense. It would be a nice gift for the 50th anniversary but by no means is it essential to the park staying open.

Just my two cents, take it or leave it.

[monsterfan99]

Viper is already too smooth. And extremely overrated.

During the day or cold weather, this is 100% right. During a hot summer night, it is a different ride.

[Cole]

I feel that MFs would just complete it.

[UWW-10]

I complain because I care. I'm like anyone's mom. And, I really have nothing personal against Shapiro, I just dislike that he removes a coaster and replaces it with a kiddie ride, and most likely has no intention of EVER replacing the coaster.

A few things come to mind....

1) I consider BB more of a family-friendly attraction than a kiddie ride

2) (As much as this is probably going to spark some shenanigans here but I'll say it anyways because it has been said numerous times before...) Deja Vu is/was a ride that should never have been in the posession of GAm in the first place...and more over, SF should not have bought 4 prototypes in the first place because that (for the most part) just screams trouble....(again, another story)

3) If I recall......GAm (not really Shapiro per se) actually just took out a long-standing (but dormant since 2006) children's attraction...emphasis on children because you had to be under 54" to actually use it (or accompanied by someone under 54") to put in a coaster (call it "kiddie" if you want but it is still a coaster nonetheless) this year so I believe that ending logic is somewhat flawed now.

[david]

I have to agree, it wasn't a good idea to undertake four prototypes, especially from Vekoma, whom they've had previous trouble with. (T2) But they did, and that gave De Ja Vu that bad impression with guests, which is partially why I think they removed Vu'. Even if Vu' ran flawlessly, people would still "tease" it with names like DelayJaVu. Just my 2 cents.

[saylorman47]

I complain because I care. I'm like anyone's mom. And, I really have nothing personal against Shapiro, I just dislike that he removes a coaster and replaces it with a kiddie ride, and most likely has no intention of EVER replacing the coaster.

A few things come to mind....

1) I consider BB more of a family-friendly attraction than a kiddie ride

2) (As much as this is probably going to spark some shenanigans here but I'll say it anyways because it has been said numerous times before...) Deja Vu is/was a ride that should never have been in the posession of GAm in the first place...and more over, SF should not have bought 4 prototypes in the first place because that (for the most part) just screams trouble....(again, another story)

3) If I recall......GAm (not really Shapiro per se) actually just took out a long-standing (but dormant since 2006) children's attraction...emphasis on children because you had to be under 54" to actually use it (or accompanied by someone under 54") to put in a coaster (call it "kiddie" if you want but it is still a coaster nonetheless) this year so I believe that ending logic is somewhat flawed now.

I completely agree.

It's not about entertaining all the annoying little kids, but their family too.

I have to agree, it wasn't a good idea to undertake four prototypes, especially from Vekoma, whom they've had previous trouble with. (T2) But they did, and that gave De Ja Vu that bad impression with guests, which is partially why I think they removed Vu'. Even if Vu' ran flawlessly, people would still "tease" it with names like DelayJaVu. Just my 2 cents.

That was the "old" Six Flags. The removal of Deja Vu was a step in the right direction, even if it was a major attraction. I was freaking terrified of that coaster, and if the park can remove it and replace it with something that appeals to the same amount of people, if not more, then it is considered an improvement.

[Viper 88]

Can someone clarify what a GCI is?

[traincrossing9]

GCI stands for Great Coasters International and is a wooden coaster manufacturer. They've made wooden coasters such as Evel Knievel, Thunderhead, Lighting Racer, Prowler, Renegade, and many more.

[saylorman47]

AKA...awesome as hell.

[Cole]

Is El Toro a gci?

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[david]

El Toro is an Intamin.

[Cole]

AAAHHH!!!!

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[traincrossing9]

Is El Toro a gci?

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Actually there is a wooden coaster called El Toro at Freizeitpark Plohn in Germany that is a GCI.

[Cole]

Yeah, thats the one I meant.

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[david]

Whoops. I just thought you meant the GAdv, because you seem to like that park.

[Cole]

^Im sorry sarcasm isnt availble through this forum.

[david]

Isn't sarcasm ":roll:"

[Cole]

Yes, sorry. *Edited*

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As for Chang vs A GCI I have mixed emotions. Chang would have the inversions that the pubic would ooo and ahh over, and it also has potential to be a capacity machine. On the other hand a GCI would almost certainly have a lower height restriction, however with the additions in the past few year I am not sure that this is an issue in the eyes of corporate anymore. Also if we were to add another coaster to our already great collection, I'm not sure that a wood coaster trumps a steel coaster solely based on diversities sake.

I would vote for Chang. It's more likely to age better and we already have both a twister and an out and back woodie. It would also pacify those who miss Shockwave so much.