Going in early days, people seem to say what rides are closed, instead of what rides are actually open. So, a) people don't go again, or b) they decide to wait until summer.
I guess the thing that bugs me is that on bad staffing days, one of the most POPular rides at the park is closed. People complain that the ride is down to much. This is not even a mechanical fault if there is not even staffing. So, just because of staffing you are going to close one of the most POPular rides. They need more workers trained for D Vu'. Demon is a walkon while D Vu' has a 30 minute line. (duh)
In my opinion, the most popular are D Vu', RB, East River Crawler, Ricochet, and SUF. These always should be open, grouper or not!!! I don't even like RB by the way.
Rides that in my opinion should be forfeited at this time of little staff would be Sky Trek Tower, Trailblazer, Jester's Wild Ride, Condor, Hometown Fun Machine, Whirlgig, American Eagle down to one side with two trains, Chubasco (It's not that crowded, except for FF, and July days, even though I like it ), King Chaos, Loggers Run, Stargate SG-3000, SplashWater Falls, and Ice Mountain Splash. The Scenic Railway should run because I usually see an older staff working that ride.
So, on low staff days, the rides that should, in my opinion be open would be:
D Vu'
RB
BTR
V2
IW
Demon
River Rocker
BEB
Triple Play The Orbit
Revolution
Roaring Rapids
Ragin Cajun
Ricochet
East River Crawler
Fiddler's Fling
Viper
American Eagle blue side only
SUF
Rue le Dodge
Scenic Railway
Giant Drop
Whizzer
Great American Raceway
Last edited by Maggie&meSFGAm? on March 28th, 2006, 11:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
It would be nice to close non-popular rides when they are short in staff, but I think they try and do that already. I know Paramount King's Island does this kind of stuff very well. They would close rides in the morning, but then open them up as more staff arrives. The day I went, they had two flats and Son Of Beast closed (their three worse rides from what i've been told) in the morning when the park first opened. By like three o'clock, however, they had staff come in and everything eventually opened up.
RIP: Trailblazer and Deja Vu...heck, even Alien Encounter
Trailblazer Tony wrote:Trailblazer should NEVER be closed.
It would be nice to close non-popular rides when they are short in staff, but I think they try and do that already. I know Paramount King's Island does this kind of stuff very well. They would close rides in the morning, but then open them up as more staff arrives. The day I went, they had two flats and Son Of Beast closed (their three worse rides from what i've been told) in the morning when the park first opened. By like three o'clock, however, they had staff come in and everything eventually opened up.
Son of Beast is one of their worst rides?
Is it really rough or something?
Ahh the rain drop, the perfect aerodynamic shape. It is actually formed by the air around it.
^ I thought the Son if Beast was really rough. I went on it the year it opened, so you figure it would be smooth, but by the time I got off, I thought I had bruised some internal organs.
On that ride you have to ride in the middle of the car. Not in the seats above the wheels, you get less of the jackhammer effect. I thought that ride was pretty good though. Now the Beast on the other hand just sucked.
i must agree with what has been said. Your choices for the most popular rides are a few popular ones, but just because a ride isn't popular doesn't mean that it should be closed. The closed rides might be guest favorites, and then they'll be upset. If the ride doesn't have enough staffing, then tough.
First, never have Deja Vu open on low staff. It is way too low of rider capacity and needs 4 operaters to operate it. Stargate (formerly) should be open, it only takes 2 ops and it is a family attraction.
Ideal Coasters to be open:
Bull (2 train)
BTR
Demon
AER or AEB (only 1 side)
Whizzer
Cajun
SUF
IW
Viper
Spacely's
Ideal flats and others to be open:
BEB
JWR
Whirligig
Logger's
Yankee Clipper (only if Loggers is closed)
Orbit
Chubasco
Ricochet
40-60% of the kiddies
Dodge
Carousel
Space Shuttle America
GD
Railroad
Sky Trek Tower
Raceway
When they close rides, they will close the lower capacity rides first which would be Vu and V2. Also, if a ride is having problems, they wont open that either and maybe open a lower capacity ride for better uptime, which is another factor in choosing which rides to open and close. The more uptime the happier the guests, so if Vu were to open, but have a lot of downtime, there would be no point into opening it.
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Maggie&meSFGAm? wrote:So, on low staff days, the rides that should, in my opinion be open would be:
D Vu' RB BTR V2 IW Demon River Rocker BEB Triple Play The Orbit Revolution Roaring Rapids Ragin Cajun Ricochet East River Crawler Big Easy Balloons Fiddler's Fling Viper American Eagle blue side only SUF Rue le Dodge Scenic Railway Giant Drop Whizzer Great American Raceway
What are you asking? Thats mostly how it is anyways....
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Danhockey04 wrote:First, never have Deja Vu open on low staff. It is way too low of rider capacity and needs 4 operaters to operate it. Stargate (formerly) should be open, it only takes 2 ops and it is a family attraction.
When they close rides, they will close the lower capacity rides first which would be Vu and V2. Also, if a ride is having problems, they wont open that either and maybe open a lower capacity ride for better uptime, which is another factor in choosing which rides to open and close. The more uptime the happier the guests, so if Vu were to open, but have a lot of downtime, there would be no point into opening it.
I am always going to disagree with that theory. If the ride brings in the people like anything, leave it open. People come to the park on this days, and its closed. People come back, and its closed a week for mechanical failure. People complain I've NEVER been on that ride. Whereas Stargate doesn't get as packed as it used to back then when the ride first opened.
D Vu' is still packing in the people, and it can't do that if it's closed. And yet, people can't understand why it's always breaking down. Sure, it has mechanical problems, but the more time you let that ride "rust", the more that ride won't work properly. They kill it in the early days of the season along with the whole October. Will this help the ride, or will it eventually decease???
When you go to an empty park, and see D Vu' running, you can almost guarantee that line is not going to be a walk-on. I've been on empty days, and the only time I didn't have to wait in an enormous line was about 2 days tops. After the first hour of the park being open, everyone and there dear aunt sally is in that line.
I can't see why Jester's Wild Ride should be open on these days. Everytime I pass that ride, there is hardly anyone in line. I too was going to say that BEB and Whirlgig should be open, but technically they are very similiar. So, why not have one and not the other on slow crowded days? You gain 2 extra ops by closing this two rides along. Stargate also takes 2. Thus, you have 4 ops for D Vu'.
Sky Trek Tower also doesn't get that long on BUSY summer days. Its a one wait line. I never had to wait two cabins to get on that ride. I always go on that ride everytime it's open, but does it need to be open on a low staffing day? It takes another two people just like the Condor. Wow, you close only two flats for one D Vu' to open. I will never get it.
Low capacity means nothing to me. Look at X!! The people love that ride. Are you telling me that if you managed SFMM, that you would close X on a low staffing day?? You would be insane in my book. Close Goldrusher which barely gets eight people on a one train operation instead.
Why should Ragin Cajun be open? It is low capacity. According rcdb.com, it takes about 900 people an hour even though I think that number is a complete joke. You move a 1/2 an inch 10 minutes.
A Frisbee only takes 800 people an hour along with King Chaos. The Frisbee has two workers. One has to be on each side of the ride. It's another low capacity ride. Why should be that open? V2 has 1100 according to rcdb.com while D Vu' is at 870. Jester's Wild Ride gets 600 per hour.
http://www.themeparksonline.org/tpoRide ... &ParkID=12 They are quoting American Eagle at 1800. With one side running, that would mean capacity is only at 900. That's low capacity to me. So, the capacity thing is not cutting it for me. Viper is about 130 more than D Vu' according to rcdb.com. SUF gets the same amount of capacity as V2. 1100 riders as said rcdb.com.
Condor is at 840. Triple Play is at 840. A HUSS Enterprise is around 800. Some Zigzag coaster (Mouse) at Morey's Pier was only 524 people per hour. That seems more like it compared to 900 which seems like a joke to me on RC. That is probably when they don't have anyone on the ride, and ALL the cars are working. That is probably about never. There are quite of LOW capacity rides in the park, so you can't really give me that. I will never see a line as full as I do for something like a Whirlgig compared to D Vu'. The line is HARDLY ever a one time wait whereas it shouldn't be that hard to get on Whirligig as quick as a flash.
First off, you can not compare Whirligig's line to Vu's line. One is a coaster and the other is a faamily flat ride.
Second, it is hard to reach the theoretical capacity of a ride.
Third, the park would rather operate all the rides that will get the most riders. Rather than operating a lot of smaller rides with smaller capacity.
Fourth, you can't just send any ride op to a different ride. The ride op has to be certed for the ride. Besides, Stargate, Tower and Jester's aren't even on the same side of the park as Vu.
Fifth, the park tries very hard to have staffing at each ride. The park does not like the idea of closing a ride because of a lack of staffing, but hey, sometimes they have to do it.
You also have to ask youself what the FAMILY would like. If a family of four with two small children came to the park, would they be able to ride Vu anyways? No, that is why you keep the smaller rides open. This gives the family and the guests a selection of rides to choose from.
Besides, you are only one of the millions of people who have visited SFGAm. Many people would disagree with you because the park will gain more business by having the most rides open. The park also looks more appealing to the GP if they all rides open except for one. Instead of having multiple rides closed, just so they can operate you beloved Vu.
coasterfreak04 wrote:Fourth, you can't just send any ride op to a different ride. The ride op has to be certed for the ride. Besides, Stargate, Tower and Jester's aren't even on the same side of the park as Vu.
And this matters, why? Simple planning prevents this problem. If "the park" sees that staffing is going to be extremely low at one ride, they'll make sure other people are available from other rides in advance. And why would it even matter that DejaVu is on a different side of the park? Employees have legs, I'm pretty darn sure they can use them.
If you feel that Vu should be open thats god for you. But there are many reasons that prevent from opening on low staff days. On low staff days, they do not want rides to have a lot of downtime, which Vu is known to do. Also, Vu has been getting better with uptime, but I have a feeling it might change this season. Then the capacity of the ride, it says 900 on rcdb, but that was before the orange safety belts were added, so the real capacity may be the same or lower depending on how long it takes to check the train a second time. To me, those guests who have never been on Vu, thats just too bad, its bad luck. Personally, I'd rather have 6 guests mad that Vu isnt open compared to many families upset that the family rides are closed to open the unreliable Vekoma death machine.
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coasterfreak04 wrote:Third, the park would rather operate all the rides that will get the most riders. Rather than operating a lot of smaller rides with smaller capacity.
You also have to ask youself what the FAMILY would like. If a family of four with two small children came to the park, would they be able to ride Vu anyways? No, that is why you keep the smaller rides open. This gives the family and the guests a selection of rides to choose from.
We have one of the biggest flat collection out of all of the parks. Three flats closed is like nothing considering the amount of them. A day with BEB, Triple Play (if it was open), The Orbit, River Rocker, Ricochet, Scenic Railway, alot of the kiddie section, Rue Le Dodge, Whizzer, Demon (sort of) the Columbia, East River Crawler, and Roaring Rapids wouldn't settle the family atmosphere??
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Danhockey04 wrote:If you feel that Vu should be open thats god for you. But there are many reasons that prevent from opening on low staff days. On low staff days, they do not want rides to have a lot of downtime, which Vu is known to do. Also, Vu has been getting better with uptime, but I have a feeling it might change this season. Then the capacity of the ride, it says 900 on rcdb, but that was before the orange safety belts were added, so the real capacity may be the same or lower depending on how long it takes to check the train a second time. To me, those guests who have never been on Vu, thats just too bad, its bad luck. Personally, I'd rather have 6 guests mad that Vu isnt open compared to many families upset that the family rides are closed to open the unreliable Vekoma death machine.
Vu always had orange saftey belts ever since it opened
deja vu was not closed because of staffing during fright fest it was because of other reasons. and the park managment team rather have rides closed down during low staffing days that have alot of down times, than to close more of the smaller rides or flats that everybody can enjoy. which is one of the reason sfgam is not getting any rollercoaster for a couple of years because they want to bring back the old family park and not a park full of rollercoasters that teenagers and adults can only enjoy.
BMRider wrote:Once again people are assuming Deja Vu was closed for fright fest for staffing reasons.
Until you are management at the park don't complain about the choices they make.
Did I ever say it was closed due to staffing for Fright Fest. I know that Deja Vu had enough crew members to be open during Fright Fest because I am friends with most of them. Also, I know exactly why it was down, which should not be stated on these forums because I know that information should not be released in any form unless the park releases it itself.
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