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Postby CoasterRiderSC on June 25th, 2018, 6:24 pm
chicagoperson wrote:Thought it'd be an interesting thread :lol:

Mine: X-Flight on the right side & front row is the best ride in the park.



1) I like X-Flight on right and back, but front is great too! As for people who say it's "forceless" that' not true! Ride the right side and you'll get those 2 turns (mid-ride and end) that come close to ground.

X-Flight is my #1 ride at park!!


2) I like the Dark Knight also! I don't understand the hatred for the ride. It fills several niches nicely (dark ride, family ride, dependable ride, etc)

3) JOKER is an absolute waste of $$$$.
4) V2 is completely useless
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Postby Goku1910 on June 25th, 2018, 7:27 pm
CoasterRiderSC wrote:
chicagoperson wrote:Thought it'd be an interesting thread :lol:

Mine: X-Flight on the right side & front row is the best ride in the park.



1) I like X-Flight on right and back, but front is great too! As for people who say it's "forceless" that' not true! Ride the right side and you'll get those 2 turns (mid-ride and end) that come close to ground.

X-Flight is my #1 ride at park!!


2) I like the Dark Knight also! I don't understand the hatred for the ride. It fills several niches nicely (dark ride, family ride, dependable ride, etc)

3) JOKER is an absolute waste of $$$$.
4) V2 is completely useless


X-Flight is not my #1 but it is quite good, beats GateKeeper at Cedar Point that's for sure. Dark Knight was better when it first opened when all the ride effects were working but once you ride Flight of Fear at King's Island it becomes impossible to look at TDK the same ever again. Joker....well....it's just another clone. As for V2, it's trash for sure, but it is a launched coaster and I can live with it.
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Postby SaveTheWAVE on June 25th, 2018, 11:15 pm
I rank Whizzer above Raging Bull.
Whizzer gives the best night ride in the park.
Viper, first car-second row is the airtime sweet spot. I also like it better than X Flight.
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Postby CoasterDemon on June 26th, 2018, 10:29 am
SaveTheWAVE wrote:I rank Whizzer above Raging Bull.
Whizzer gives the best night ride in the park.


Rockin! Yes!

SaveTheWAVE wrote:Viper, first car-second row is the airtime sweet spot. I also like it better than X Flight.


Have you tried seat #3? I always took 1 and 3 as the best seats for airtime on Viper. The "Herbert P. Schmeck moment of torque seat" as we have called it for years on Phoenix, etc. I'll have to re-visit seat 2!
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Postby jmanporty7 on June 26th, 2018, 11:10 am
Sorry for the long post, but here I go...

Raging Bull is my #1 at SFGAm. I personally don't understand why people hate on it so much. In my opinion it's the most re-rideable ride in the whole park. It also provides one of the longest rides of the major thrill coasters in the park. While it may not have the most airtime out there, it well makes up for it for how good the airtime is from those few airtime moments. Goliath has about the same number of airtime moments as Raging Bull, but is a much shorter ride in terms of its length. That being said, I would probably like Goliath more if it were simply a longer ride, with a few more airtime moments. Just imagine if they took out the Wilderness Theater completely, and relocated Camp Cartoon (and possibly retheme it to Bugs Bunny Boomtown) to where the go-karts currently sit. They would make more room for a longer and even better Goliath, with more airtime and bank turns and possibly another inversion. But with the way these coasters stand, Raging Bull is better, at least in my opinion.
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Postby CoasterDemon on June 26th, 2018, 11:15 am
^I take Raging Bull over Goliath in a heartbeat. Goliath is so short, it's just not worth it to me most of the time. Raging Bull is also my favorite of the B&M hyper/giga coasters (I've been on most of them): that layout is super-unique!

My only complaint about Raging Bull is the half mile way to get back to the park (and the half mile walk to the ride). Shameful to treat your guests that way... but what a ride!
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Postby SaveTheWAVE on June 26th, 2018, 11:38 am
CoasterDemon wrote:
SaveTheWAVE wrote:I rank Whizzer above Raging Bull.
Whizzer gives the best night ride in the park.


Rockin! Yes!

SaveTheWAVE wrote:Viper, first car-second row is the airtime sweet spot. I also like it better than X Flight.


Have you tried seat #3? I always took 1 and 3 as the best seats for airtime on Viper. The "Herbert P. Schmeck moment of torque seat" as we have called it for years on Phoenix, etc. I'll have to re-visit seat 2!

I rode in row 3 on Viper yesterday. It was excellent, as usual. I prefer row 2 as the airtime is, in my opinion, just a touch better, plus it’s not a wheel seat, so there are no disadvantages.
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Postby CoasterDemon on June 26th, 2018, 12:24 pm
^Ha! Have you ridden Voyage?

The wheel seats on 3 bench PTCs have classically been where the most airtime is... but I would say that whole front car is so good, it's probably hard to tell!
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Postby coasterjoy on June 26th, 2018, 2:54 pm
CoasterDemon wrote:^Ha! Have you ridden Voyage?

The wheel seats on 3 bench PTCs have classically been where the most airtime is... but I would say that whole front car is so good, it's probably hard to tell!


The airtime in the back seat of Voyage is just crazy!!! The front seat is great too, but the back seat is even better! I'd love to ride that thing trimless at night


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Postby FParker185 on June 26th, 2018, 8:21 pm
They do that every year at Holiwood Nights
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Postby Ilovthevu' on June 27th, 2018, 2:34 pm
*X-Flight is the worst B&M I've been on.

Been on: Sheikra, Kumba, Talon, Montu, (all the B&Ms at Great America including Iron Wolf), Chang, Raptor, Diamondback, Scream!, Mantis, Riddler's Revenge, Hyper at Over Georgia, Both inverts that were at Universal Islands of Adventure, Incredible Hulk, Hydra.

Slow, forceless (except the 1 inversion - keyhole), and the thing bounces / rattles so much. And I didn't even talk about the harnesses that close on your lungs.

That was one ride I was excited for. We get a similar style of ride like a B&M floorless / sitdown, and it's going to be close to Scream!, Kumba, Hydra, Incredible Hulk, but it's a failure for me. Such is life.

In case anyone's wondering, Talon is the 2nd worst of those for me.
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Postby AirTimeDaz on June 27th, 2018, 3:51 pm
Ok I'll bite. I wouldn't be completely crestfallen if RMC were to one day turn Eagle into the world's longest hybrid racer. :?

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Postby tribar on June 27th, 2018, 4:41 pm
AirTimeDaz wrote:Ok I'll bite. I wouldn't be completely crestfallen if RMC were to one day turn Eagle into the world's longest hybrid racer. :?

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Agreed. If RMC touches Eagle, it needs to be done correctly, not the half ass bullshit that they did to Colossus at SFMM.
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Postby tribar on June 27th, 2018, 4:41 pm
AirTimeDaz wrote:Ok I'll bite. I wouldn't be completely crestfallen if RMC were to one day turn Eagle into the world's longest hybrid racer. :?

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Agreed. If RMC touches Eagle, it needs to be done correctly, not the half ass bullshit that they did to Colossus at SFMM.
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Postby Sven18 on June 27th, 2018, 4:59 pm
tribar wrote:
AirTimeDaz wrote:Ok I'll bite. I wouldn't be completely crestfallen if RMC were to one day turn Eagle into the world's longest hybrid racer. :?

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Agreed. If RMC touches Eagle, it needs to be done correctly, not the half ass bullshit that they did to Colossus at SFMM.


LOL. SF is not RMcing AE, the coaster has 9300ft of track. Even if they cut it down by 1/3rd it would be 6K track, which would cost more than SF can spend. Steel Vengeance is being projected to cost around 20M+ and it was 5700ft. SF can not afford under their cap exp formula to spend 20M on 1 coaster, which any good conversion of a 9300ft coaster would take. Also, leaving Viper as the lone wood coaster would make little sense. The park is likely to get a RMC, a RMC Raptor
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Postby JT2002 on July 1st, 2018, 5:48 pm
jmanporty7 wrote: Just imagine if they took out the Wilderness Theater completely, and relocated Camp Cartoon (and possibly retheme it to Bugs Bunny Boomtown) to where the go-karts currently sit.


The Go-karts used to be where Bugs Bunny National Park was (which was basically the same thing as Bugs Bunny Boomtown :lol: ) and I'd rather not see the Little Dipper go anyway.
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Postby B&MGuy35 on July 3rd, 2018, 9:27 am
Sven18 wrote:
tribar wrote:
AirTimeDaz wrote:Ok I'll bite. I wouldn't be completely crestfallen if RMC were to one day turn Eagle into the world's longest hybrid racer. :?

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Agreed. If RMC touches Eagle, it needs to be done correctly, not the half ass bullshit that they did to Colossus at SFMM.


LOL. SF is not RMcing AE, the coaster has 9300ft of track. Even if they cut it down by 1/3rd it would be 6K track, which would cost more than SF can spend. Steel Vengeance is being projected to cost around 20M+ and it was 5700ft. SF can not afford under their cap exp formula to spend 20M on 1 coaster, which any good conversion of a 9300ft coaster would take. Also, leaving Viper as the lone wood coaster would make little sense. The park is likely to get a RMC, a RMC Raptor


Viper wouldn’t be the lone wood coaster.....did you forget about Goliath?


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Postby ChicagoCoasters on July 3rd, 2018, 10:27 am
1. Justice League isn't that bad. I find it fun.
2. Demon's best seat is second to back.
3. Raging Bull in the front row gives the most airtime.
4. Batman is my least favorite B&M at the park.
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Postby CoasterDemon on July 4th, 2018, 1:03 pm
B&MGuy35 wrote:Viper wouldn’t be the lone wood coaster.....did you forget about Goliath?


The other woodie would be Little Dipper :) Not everyone is onboard calling Goliath a woodie. It's a hybrid coaster to me, with hybrid topper track. Yes, I'm aware RMC and Six Flags call it a wood coaster.

Come to think of it, calling the RMC topper track coasters "hybrid" is in fact a very unpopular opinion... to go with this thread.

While we are on that, American Eagle (which I LOVE!) has hyrbrid track as well, from the first drop to the helix. It's the original "hybrid" wood/steel track first done on Eagle ... I'm thinking around 1989/1990. This type of hybrid track was also on the first drop of the Texas Giant when that ride was new in 1990. Six Flags wanted to be ready for torn up track on the fastest part, and they learned their lesson with Eagle and Colossus (which also had hybrid steel/wood track put on in the 1990s. This is where the "fire" on Colossus started when they were getting ready for Twisted Colossus - torching apart that steel track.)

This type of hybrid track (Eagle, TG, Colossus) was also referred to as "I-beam tracks" in the industry at the time. Where the bottom 6 to 8 layers of wood would be (or 9, as Eagle originally had), there is a steel I-beam. On that beam rests the top 2 layers of wood and then the standard running track. This is where Eagle gets that strange vibration on that first run. The track ties and catwalks are all wood in here too. It is an opposite configuration than RMCs topper track.
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Postby Viper 88 on July 16th, 2018, 10:58 am
If they ever did anything to AE they better not screw it up like Colossus leave the ride layout alone nothing on it needs changing just put the topper on and go about your business. It doesn't need to do upside down or have extreme banking just fix it DON'T ADD! I would say restore the racing capability of the trains. ALSO The trains DON'T NEED TO BE TOUCHED! They don't need the leg things like Goliath and to be even more narrow!
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Postby Goku1910 on July 16th, 2018, 11:08 am
How do you put PTC trains on an RMC track?
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Postby IssaCoaster on July 16th, 2018, 8:14 pm
Viper 88 wrote:If they ever did anything to AE they better not screw it up like Colossus leave the ride layout alone nothing on it needs changing just put the topper on and go about your business. It doesn't need to do upside down or have extreme banking just fix it DON'T ADD! I would say restore the racing capability of the trains. ALSO The trains DON'T NEED TO BE TOUCHED! They don't need the leg things like Goliath and to be even more narrow!

I think they should add more hills and some banking. I would say no inversions though. I and definetely extend the drop. The eagle is rough, but it has some good airtime. RMC would make it a scary ride.
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