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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 5:31 pm
Ilovthevu' wrote:^I've seen Demon stuck on the lifthill multiple times, and it was misparking in the station. It also crashed, and got stuck in a loop for probably 2 hours upside down.


Station mispark has been fixed for a while though. Last that was happening regularly was when I was working it back in 2009-2010. The last time it had a major problem stuck on the lift was a few years ago if I remember right. It was right after it engaged the chain and required an unload.

Why bring up a "crash"? That was in the 80's wasn't it? I'm sure our park's maintenance team has come a long way since then to prevent things like that from happening.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 5:41 pm
^No, the crash wasn't in the 80's. It had to be in the 2000s. It wasn't severe, but I remember watching it on the news.

A crash in the 80's might have been American Eagle or Whizzer. Whizzer, though might have been the other park. Still, they don't run 5 trains on the Whizzer, and they don't run 3 trains per each side for the Eagle..
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 5:45 pm
5 trains on whizzer is for two reasons. Parts from the trains and new safety standards.

Demon's valley was in 1998. Nice try. Google is your friend.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 5:46 pm
^I'm not talking about Demon's valley. It was in the station.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 5:47 pm
Ilovthevu' wrote:^I'm not talking about Demon's valley. It was in the station.


Okay, that happened even earlier than 1998. So you're still wrong. :lol:

*It was in 1993.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 5:51 pm
^Are you sure it didn't happen again later? In 1993, I wasn't into the park (much younger) as I am now.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 5:53 pm
It's not in any incident report I can find. I worked at Demon and Eagle each two years so I'm familiar with them and their general history.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 6:12 pm
That was my point....SF has moved away from Intamin and has opted instead for very cheap designs that fit in similar footprints.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 6:15 pm
^^I would think that Full Throttle has to be way more expensive than Superman or Tempesto. I remember V2 being $7.5 million. Superman and Tempesto are really small FOOTPRINT rides. Six Flags didn't even buy another Tempesto like ride after the Discovery Kingdom one. Did they?

I would think wikipedia is wrong with the Full Throttle price. How could Superman be $6 million, and Full Throttle is $6 million. No way. One is a shuttle, and one is not. The Superman is probably right, but probably not Full Throttle. Superman is 863 ft, and Full Throttle is 2200 ft long.

They did buy the Intamin drop towers for Kingda Ka, and the Superman at Magic Mountain, so they aren't totally not buying Intamin anything.
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Postby Guy_With_A_Stick on July 3rd, 2017, 6:37 pm
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Goku1910 wrote:That was my point....SF has moved away from Intamin and has opted instead for very cheap designs that fit in similar footprints.


Actually, your comment seemed to be more about full circuits vs non circuits like V2.

No, it was about cheapness. He said that we're seeing less full circuit launch coasters because they're expensive. Look at the comment again:

I know everyone here knows how Six Flags looks at thing financially and they will always take the cheapest route. This is why we're seeing less and less full-circuit launched coasters being added to the chain. Full Throttle and Superman at SFDK were full circuit but nothing compared to something like Maverick.


Superman and Full Throttle were added because they were cheap($6M). Six Flags doesn't install Maverick-style launch coasters because they're expensive($20+M). He never once said anything about shuttles being more/less expensive, he only talked about the fact that most full-circuit launch coasters are expensive. You're simply assuming that he is saying such a thing.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 6:44 pm
I have a question for anyone. Let's say Great America announces a Skywarp in 2018. Just say, that it doesn't matter where it really goes. Would you get bored of a Skywarp -doing the same inversion 12 times in a row (6 times for each loop)? I think I would. I like Dive Loops a bunch, but to go that many times in a row, just seems so boring with no randomness.

That's why for something like an Intamin Space Shuttle (One at Busch Gardens Tampa for instance), it's not boring because it feels more random when you are going upside down. Will you make it a full rotation this time or not? Sure, that ride is more painful, but I'm talking about the randomness of the inversions. Is this the best flat ride they can bring to Great America - if it did come? Their is just so much better.. sigh

Other than wikipedia, who says that Full Throttle is $6 million? I want a source. It's probably $12-$15 million. For $6 million, that ride would already be at every Six Flags in the world. What a cheap deal. Batman the Ride is 2700 ft whereas Full Throttle is 2200 ft. Superman (SFDK) is only 863 ft.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 6:54 pm
doubleb wrote:
Goku1910 wrote:That was my point....SF has moved away from Intamin and has opted instead for very cheap designs that fit in similar footprints.


I took your comment to be more about full circuits vs non circuits like V2. Intamin is going where the money is located, which is overseas and in particular China, SF went cheap and Intamin has done great business overseas. Intamin already has 5 coaster projects for 2018 overseas, 8 for 2017(some completed and some under construction) and they did 5 in 2016.


I didn't say anything about Intamin's business. Only their relationship with Six Flags which is pretty much nonexistent at this point. I do not care how they're doing overseas because it has nothing to do with what is being discussed here.

Guy with a Stick hit the nail on the head. At least he's following along here.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 7:01 pm
Ilovthevu' wrote:I have a question for anyone. Let's say Great America announces a Skywarp in 2018. Just say, that it doesn't matter where it really goes. Would you get bored of a Skywarp -doing the same inversion 12 times in a row (6 times for each loop)? I think I would. I like Dive Loops a bunch, but to go that many times in a row, just seems so boring with no randomness.


I would hate the addition. We already have the Joker gimmick, we don't need another gimmick. :lol:

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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 7:23 pm
Will they buy Gerstlauer again though after the Texas Giant problem they had though? I like the Tony Hawk coaster, so I wouldn't mind that. That ride is totally different than Batman indoors.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 7:24 pm
Full circuits are not more expensive in many cases especially not in the compact genre SF wants to buy coasters in.


So you're essentially saying that Impulse coasters like V2 are overpriced? At least you're implying it. Circuits that fall in the same price range would be very small like Premier's Skyrocket. That's not what I'm comparing, I'm talking about Intamin's mega coasters or things like Maverick, Cheetah Hunt, Xcelerator, Storm Runner, etc. If you desperately want a launched coaster, those are what you should dreaming of, not SFDK's Superman or V2.

SFDK's V2 is the most pitiful of all the Impulse.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 7:26 pm
^Cheetah Hunt is such a kiddie ride. I'm very unimpressed with Maverick. It's just kind of blah for me.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 7:31 pm
^Intamin & B&Ms have the name, and thus they are very expensive compared to other manufacturers. It's as simple as that. Great America didn't have an S&S coaster before the Joker was added. How many Six Flags even had 1 S&S before this S&S buying started. The more popular your coaster company gets, the more money they are going to be charging for rides. Raptor was only about $11.5 million in my notes. Rcdb says Banshee was $24 million? B&Ms are so popular and expensive now.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 7:34 pm
Ilovthevu' wrote:^Cheetah Hunt is such a kiddie ride.


Yeah, but it's a circuit that's not sub~1,000ft long. It's thrill factor wasn't part of the point.

doubleb wrote:Intamin doesn't need to sell to SF like they did before, They aren't concerned if their is no relationship b/c SF is no longer the deep pockets of the 90'sand 2000's. They have the deep pockets overseas to buy their stuff. SF should be concerned b/c a lot of the stuff they have bought lately will not hold up over time like some of the Intamin's and B&M stuff they bought in the past. Do you really think the cheap Free Fly's will hold up in popularity like the Intamin hypers and impulses or B&M inverts?


Where are you going with all these assumptions? It's starting to get on my nerves. I'm not against intamin and never said I was and I'm also not praising these free fly "Coasters". This is the sixth time I've said this: JOKER IS A GIMMICK.

Clearly the Impulse isn't holding up well though because it's ridership has dropped drastically since my time working at the park. I consider myself at least a decent observer in the park and can see how trends change year after year on an average crowd day. Last time I went to Cedar Point Wicked Twister was a walk on....A WALK ON.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 7:39 pm
^^Wicked Twister is not V2 though. At Cedar Point, they have Top Thrill. Top Thrill is definitely better than V2, but it's not like Great America is going to add Top Thrill to replace V2. Of course, they also have Maverick which I don't really care for, but that's a 3rd launched ride at Cedar Point - especially in that tunnel part (is like a Mr. Freeze ride).
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Postby Guy_With_A_Stick on July 3rd, 2017, 7:39 pm
^^That's the point...

Why exactly are we still arguing?
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 7:42 pm
Ilovthevu' wrote:^^Wicked Twister is not V2 though. At Cedar Point, they have Top Thrill. Top Thrill is definitely better than V2, but it's not like Great America is going to add Top Thrill to replace V2. Of course, they also have Maverick which I don't really care for, but that's a 3rd launched ride at Cedar Point - especially in that tunnel part (is like a Mr. Freeze ride).


My point is that it was similar to V2 and it's not popular in a high traffic top-end park. Which is exactly what started this dumb argument. Trends change and the time in the limelight for Impulse coasters is over. Bigger and better (and more reliable) things have come to take their place.

V2 wouldn't be an easy replacement for Great America because it's a difficult space to work with without removing the flumes with it. Just because V2 is on my list for possible removal doesn't mean I would want it gone right this second. Demon is still #1 on my list of crap that needs to kick the bucket already.
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Postby Ilovthevu' on July 3rd, 2017, 7:49 pm
^So, you think that Tempesto, or a Skywarp are better additions than V2? What is really going to fit there since they aren't going to take out 2 flumes also in 1 year? They will call Skywarp a coaster, and put it on that concrete slab. There's your new coaster Great America.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 7:55 pm
If anything you're further proving my point. If the rides at SFGAm aren't as good wouldn't that make V2 more popular at our park in comparison? The impulse is performing badly at both parks despite them being top-end as you called them. If our lineup isn't as good, V2 should be above the median in popularity because there's less competition.

Nobody really knows b/c SF never releases them.


And Cedar Point does? Cite your source if you're going to use it in an argument.
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Postby Goku1910 on July 3rd, 2017, 8:02 pm
Ilovthevu' wrote:^So, you think that Tempesto, or a Skywarp are better additions than V2? What is really going to fit there since they aren't going to take out 2 flumes also in 1 year? They will call Skywarp a coaster, and put it on that concrete slab. There's your new coaster Great America.


That is why I said It's a difficult replacement. Nowhere in my statement did I say I wanted a Skywarp and I've already mocked a skywarp as being a gimmick like joker. So where exactly are you going with this?
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Postby Guy_With_A_Stick on July 3rd, 2017, 8:06 pm
Let's just end the 'argument' here. V2 is past its prime. The park can remove it if they wanted to, but don't expect anything amazing as a replacement.

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